One of the Voices of Social Justice: Michael Anderson-Nathe

10 Jul

Those of you who have been reading TSM for the least two years now are clearly aware that this blog is dedicated to issues of social justice and civil rights; since you are reading this, I presume you share similar passions.  Today I was able to visit with my friend Michael Anderson-Nathe, and I have to say I love his voice of social justice, although he will not easily tolerate any accolades, for he is exceedingly humble and somewhat introverted.

Michael grew up in Minnesota: “I come from a Vietnamese mother and mid-west father. They met in Vietnam—my father was in the military.  I am a Vietnamese-American, and it was not easy growing up post Vietnam war being Asian-American; I’m a product of the war.  My siblings were born in Vietnam.  I was born here.” Michael is one of 10 children—the youngest. Four of them passed away.  He discusses his coming out to his family of origin, saying, “I came out when I was 17 and had a rocky period with my parents for two years. We did not talk.  Since then, there have been huge strides – they were at my wedding and love the family I have (my partner and daughter). My parents have come from one end of the spectrum to the other end.”

Do you consider you and your partner political?

We are always political, and now that we have a child everything we do is political whether we want it to be or not.  I also became Jewish, so we are a multiracial, queer, Jewish household.  There are times when it is easy to be political, but at times I just want to be a family—raising my daughter.  We had an open adoption, which means we have an ongoing relationship with our child’s birthmother.  Doing an adoption meant we had the opportunity to have a ton of very intentional conversations prior to adopting about how to raise a child and what will it mean to raise a child.  One of the most frustrating aspects of being a queer family is that people will often look around for someone that presents as female-bodied, and then look to them as though they must be Sophie’s mother regardless of context (despite obvious social cues as to who is parenting Sophie).  One thing I love about our parenting is how we talk about gender, sexuality, and body parts without shame. We make deliberate efforts to raise her in ways that don’t limit her own expression of who she is and that don’t oppress other people (reinforce socially constructed dichotomies)—we raise her with great intentionality—which is a continuously active, intentional process and we are better at it some days than others.

What made you become an activist for people living with HIV?

I stumbled into this accidentally.  When I was 17, I participated in a peer HIV education program and fell in love with working with the community and contributing to making sure people had information so they could make decisions that were right for them.  What I love about working in the field of HIV is that it truly is social justice work—working with the intersections of oppression that continue to fuel HIV. You can’t do this work without addressing issues of social justice.  It feeds a part of who I am.

What should marginalized communities do to have a stronger voice?

The biggest thing is that we need to come together; we need to stop playing into the game of who is more oppressed, which does not serve us.  To realize we are stronger together than divided.  We have a lot we can learn from each other.  I grew up with multiple identities.  I grew up not white enough, or not a person of color enough.  My identities were not integrated, so I went to hang out with the gay community when I wanted to celebrate my sexuality, but then I lost my Vietnamese ties. If I wanted to hang out with the Asian community, then I lost my gay ties.  All of the various intersections of oppression fuel HIV—all of the inequalities, homophobia, racism, transphobia—we have to address all of these if we are going to be successful in stopping HIV.

I don’t like the idea of “look at us! We are just like heterosexual families, so accept us”—we should be accepted regardless.  I don’t want to be considered the model queer family—I don’t think there is a model queer family, just as I don’t believe there is a model heterosexual family—those concepts just further ostracize other people in our community and I don’t want to be a part of that.  I don’t want my personal experience to be deemed acceptable at the expense of others in our community.  Who am I to say what a model family or what a queer person should look like? Doing so only further divides our community—who is the good gay who is the bad gay—and I think that is fucked up.  Ultimately, it is not their acceptance to grant and by doing so we subscribe to a heteronormative power differential.

Marriage Equality:

Is it the issue for the Queer Community?   Personally, it is not my top issue, but just because I don’t think it is the top priority does not mean I’m against it.  I think the whole “you’re either with us or against us mentality” of this movement oversimplifies a highly complex social issue and further divides us.  My main question for the movement is: At what cost does marriage equality come and who within our community is being left behind in our pursuit for marriage equality?

I want to thank Michael for taking the time to visit with me. I am most certain his words will inspire many, as does the way he lives his life.


19 Responses to “One of the Voices of Social Justice: Michael Anderson-Nathe”

  1. Christine Noble July 10, 2012 at 6:34 am #

    “The biggest thing is that we need to come together; we need to stop playing into the game of who is more oppressed, which does not serve us.” As the kids say “all of this!” (The kids say that, right?) It makes me sad to see so few PoC at pride and to see how seldom the LGBTQ community takes up the banner against racism, present company excluded of course. There are other intersections of oppression and racism, but this one comes most readily to mind.

    • Michael Hulshof-Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 6:38 am #

      Beautifully said, Christine. Imagine the power and influence over social policy we could have if all of the marginalized peoples could ban together for the greater good?

  2. le artiste boots July 10, 2012 at 6:48 am #

    You have done it again!

    • Michael Hulshof-Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 6:50 am #

      Thank you. This is high praise from someone who is so dedicated to issues of social justice.

  3. Feminema July 10, 2012 at 6:51 am #

    I love this interview! I’m sending it via email to a friend in a very similar situation — she’s gay and Black/Korean, and she’ll love this.

    • Michael Hulshof-Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 6:52 am #

      Thank you for sharing the interview. Michael and his partner are great human beings and it is easy to see how people hold multiple identities but are then subject to the many intersections of oppression.

  4. newsofthetimes July 10, 2012 at 7:03 am #

    Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. Your friend makes it seem so simple and speaks so clearly as to life as it should be. Thank you.

  5. Tom McCollin July 10, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    Reading this article brings to mind so many things for me, Michael. It causes me remember my brother that succumbed to AIDS, years ago, but whom I still love dearly. And then there is the beautiful man that is with me today. Our wish is to be together, whether or not as a married couple is not important. But it would be good to know that if we so choose, we have that choice to marry. Despite what others around us may believe, be them friends or family. We do have obstacles in our way, but we do not let them unnerve us. There is always the thought with us of, what if. What I do know for certain is that this man is, in my eyes, beyond compare. He could have had anyone in his life but I am the one he is with. Despite the trouble that I had caused in our short past. He put up with so much from me, but knew I was worth clearing what hurdles there were between us. Together, we fight social injustice, at lease what we are able to do from our corner of the world. Not just for us, but for whomever out there needs someone to have a voice. I am reminded of this Michael: “If you find someone willing to go through hell just to keep your relationship alive, never take their love for granted.” There are moments I feel I do that even now with Jamie. But I know we two, truly do love one another. Despite all we have been through!

    • Michael Hulshof-Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 10:24 am #

      Thank you for sharing such a powerful part of your life’s history. It is obvious you and Jamie are well paired.

  6. Tom McCollin July 10, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    I was just thinking, does the comment I just left pertain to your article in any way or was I just rambling. I tend to do that, you know 🙂

  7. nevercontrary July 11, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    I wish we could all of these beautiful stories out to a larger audience. If only the world could see how wonderful our community is. They would be proud to be a part of it.

    • Michael Hulshof-Schmidt July 12, 2012 at 6:26 am #

      I agree. There are so many folk within our community that are trying to make the world a better place, in stark contrast to people like Mitt Romney and those that support him.

      • nevercontrary July 13, 2012 at 8:12 am #

        What I find that saddens me the most is that the commonality between conservatives is this idea that life has been tough for me, so it should be tough for everyone. Very little empathy or desire to help others. Now if you state that outright it will be denied and church work to help needy will be brought up. But read between the lines whenever you talk to them about a tough time. Listen to the way they respond. It is there. And it makes me sad that they are so jaded. That they feel so un loved.

      • Michael Hulshof-Schmidt July 13, 2012 at 8:14 am #

        At times I can be as generous as you, but often times I am just tired of the Right Wing response of: “I have mine, I don’t care about anyone else.” While this is not explicitly said by most of them, it is certainly demonstrated by their behavior.

  8. Michelle December 22, 2017 at 12:19 pm #

    It’s seriously insane to have an acronym this long to describe your community. I’m not one ounce prejudice against anyone, regardless of color, sexual preference, race, religion or whatever…but it seems to me that any group of people who separate and label themselves don’t really want equal treatment…they want special treatment for their special group. Geez, people should just be who they are and stop expecting those who don’t fit in their group to provide them with special privilege. Neither my parents, my grandparents, nor myself ever owned a slave or mistreated anyone because of their race, but daily I have hear how the blacks are mistreated and I have watch my words or I might offend them and be taken to court. If I go for job, I have to pray the employer has enough blacks already so I will stand a chance of getting a job that I’m much more qualified to do than the black girl who also applied. If they don’t, she’s getting the job. If I were any race other than white, I could have had a free ride through college…but no, despite working my hind-end off to keep 4.0 gpa, I had to pay my way while my African-American roommate who could’ve cared less about an education and just wanted to be on her own got a full scholarship. I studied while she partied.
    There will always be hate and bigotry. Do you think straight, white people don’t get mistreated and ostracized? We do.
    Be who you are. Treat people with the same respect you’d want in return and if someone mistreats you, consider their character as poor, the same way I have to. Stop labeling yourselves as different and expecting special treatment…that in itself causes people to see you as different when they otherwise may not. I don’t know, maybe I should start a community…WWWWLREP (white women who want love, respect, equality, and peace) how dumb is that? I’ll get out of this life exactly what I put into it. There will be idiots who hate themselves that will hate me, there will laws that prevent me from doing things I may want to do, there will hurdles I have to jump, and bridges I may never be able to cross because oppression truly is no respecter of person. We all suffer oppression in one form or another. Despite this, I refuse to label myself with an acronym a mile long that really just says, “I’m different” and then expect to be treated the same.

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