Let me be as candid and transparent as possible: I was a very strong supporter of Bernie Sanders, and until the past four weeks, held out great hope that he would become our next President. Over the course of the past month, I have had to do a great deal of reflecting and ask myself where does this seemingly irrational antipathy for Hillary Clinton come from? Why have I participated in it? After doing some research and looking hard at systemic misogyny, I have had to confront myself with the truth that I bought into a narrative about Hillary Clinton that has been produced, packaged, and perpetuated by mostly the GOP with the help of many democrats and independents.
This narrative is a 30-year-old vilification of a woman who is bright, independent, wealthy, and powerful — a woman who asks for what she wants and needs. How very dare you, Ms. Clinton? How dare you have a mind of your own? How dare you be bright and powerful? How dare you ask for what you want and need? Don’t you know these rights are still exclusively for white, Christian, cisgender, able-bodied, heterosexual men?
My research indicates that the reality — the facts (I realize facts are immaterial when talking to many Trump supporters) — are that Hillary Clinton is one of the most honest politicians tracked by the Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking project Politifact. I would also call upon Jill Abramson’s piece in the Guardian. Most of you probably know Abramson from the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times. Abramson writes:
As an editor I’ve launched investigations into her business dealings, her fundraising, her foundation and her marriage. As a reporter my stories stretch back to Whitewater. I’m not a favorite in Hillaryland. That makes what I want to say next surprising. Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy.
Members of the press, in their misguided attempt to be “balanced”, love to point out that we face a presidential contest between the two least-popular candidates ever. What they fail to do is analyze their own complicity in blindly adhering to the cartoon version of Hillary Clinton. Trump is unpopular — even with many Republicans who weakly support him — because of his stated positions. Secretary Clinton is unpopular largely because of an aggressive campaign of fictions and slander. That campaign has succeeded largely because of systemic misogyny.
Journalist Michael Arnovitz points out in his article Thinking About Hillary–A Plea for Reason (I strongly recommend his piece) that propaganda around Hillary’s “dishonest” nature stems from the pablum written by conservative writer William (I can’t be concerned with facts or evidence) Safire. Safire wrote the 1996 article Blizzard of Lies in which he vilifies and demonizes Hillary as a “congenital liar” without any evidence to support his claims. (How’s that for irony?) What I find profoundly sad is how quickly and how easily I — and so many Americans — bought into this false and misogynistic narrative. This tragically illustrates how systemic sexism/misogyny is: how it is in the water we drink, the air we breathe, in every fiber we wear.
In fact, most of the resistance to Hillary initially was about how “smug” she was in pushing that “Universal Health Care” agenda. How dare she want all people to have health insurance–why that means that health care is a community health problem–there she goes again, with a mind of her own! Furthermore, apparently she was not behaving as a First Lady should. What the hell is that? How should a First Lady behave? The intense misogyny is too overwhelming to ignore here, and sadly, we are all implicated in this system of oppression. Just this past June, Hillary was shredded by the media for the Armani jacket she wore. Really? The day she was announced as the Democratic Nominee for President, it was a picture of her husband that made the front page of the paper. This is some intense sexism at work. Did anyone ask what Bill Clinton was wearing and who designed it?
Sadly, any time there is a claim of sexism at play, people roll their eyes as though such a thing does not exist, because women, women of color, people of color, LGBT folk, all of the intersecting identities of all targeted communities are always under suspicion. We are disbelieved disproportionately for asking to be treated the same way our white, heterosexual, Christian, cisgender counterparts are treated. All of a sudden being treated equally becomes “special rights.” So say those within the dominant narrative and power structure.
While I have never been a fan of David Brooks, he actually was able to offer some reflection and repair work on Friday’s NPR commentary with E.J. Dionne. Brooks made the claim that Hillary is too guarded (why wouldn’t she be?). Kudos to E.J. Dionne for pointing out the double standard to Brooks, that he would not make the same claim about a male candidate for President. Brooks connected and agreed that this was a sexist statement.
What I find profoundly sad is the blatant double standard of how we individually and collectively punish women who seek power, as opposed to how we reward men for the same ambition. As Arnovitz notes in his article:
What I see is that the public view of Hillary Clinton does not seem to be correlated to “scandals” or issues of character or whether she murdered Vince Foster. No, the one thing that seems to most negatively and consistently affect public perception of Hillary is any attempt by her to seek power. Once she actually has that power her polls go up again. But whenever she asks for it her numbers drop like a manhole cover…Even NBC news, looking back over decades of their own polls, stated that, “she’s struggled to stay popular when she’s on the campaign trail.” If this has nothing to do with gender, then wouldn’t the same thing happen to men when they campaign? But it doesn’t. Why not?
When I try to ask people for specific examples of why they “hate” Hillary, or how has she been dishonest, all I get is “everyone knows she is,” or “that’s just the way I feel.” These two answers are problematic in so many ways. Regardless, this sentiment is testament to how effective the messaging/propaganda from Republicans has been over the past two decades. All I am asking is this: can we slow down and think critically and not accept without caution or question what is presented to us as the narrative of Hillary Clinton? Can we also allow for the fact that she has made mistakes and more importantly that she grows and learns from her mistakes.
I know I have gone from a true supporter of Bernie Sanders to an apathetic supporter of Hillary to now an excited and enthusiastic supporter of our first female President. It’s certainly true that she isn’t as progressive a candidate as I would like. Neither was Bernie and his stand on guns. Neither is absurd long-shot Jill Stein and her strange anti-science positions. That’s the reality of American politics in 2016.
I truly believe that Hillary and her platform are beneficial to targeted communities: people of color, people in poverty, people with disabilities, veterans, LGBTQ people, and all of the intersecting identities thereof. She is a hard-working, fundamentally honest person for whom — as she so nicely framed it — “the service part has always come easier than the public part.” I welcome people’s input here. All I ask is that you put in check any misogynistic comments and please have evidence to support your assertions.
Every election matters, but this one has even deeper resonance than most. Please remember to vote!
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Thank you Michael for this wonderful post. It’s educated me & dispelled some concerns. I hope many stop by and read it!
Thank you for reblogging this, Dr. Rex! I was sad when I realized how quickly I bought into this sexist narrative of Hillary. I hope she can unite the country and we can heal the hate that Trump is spreading. Peace and love, Michael.
Peace & love, dear friend! I didn’t know many details about Hillary … I’m still learning. I like her more, the more I learn. In primaries I voted Bernie … yet, I knew, that if it came to what there’s now, Hillary would get my vote. The DNC sealed it for me! Hugs …
Yes, I voted for Bernie in the primary and held out great hope that he would be the nominee. Like you, the more I am learning about Hillary and the more I put my own ingrained sexism in check, the more I like Hillary! Love, Michael.
Wow! I am truley impressed at your insight. I have always been on Hillarys side. She has weathered every storm with grace and dignity and an immutable strength that I firmly believe only women can find, especially when the tide is so evidently against them. I learned very early in my life how words can damage and hurt, sometimes more than fists. I adopted a credo that I have lived by my whole life, never say anything you can’t take back. Because of this I have always looked for the truth in peoples words, the hidden agendas and lies are usually glaringly obvious for those who seek them out. Ignorance and stupidity are never an excuse for making judgments on people. I have found that a great number of people are simply just to lazy to look for the truth or even hostile to facts especially if it is contradictory to their internal narrative ( confirmation bias ). For to long people have allowed others to write HRC’s narrative, willing to believe the worst without evidence or proof, she has been convicted in the court of opinion time and time again and yet she remains standing. Why? Because she is the strong, powerful woman that all women should emulate. The Internet is no longer the place of free flowing ideas and truth, it has become the bastion of every nut case, paranoid, conspiracy touting, hate-mongering troll and the legions of ignorant accollites who are perfectly content to sit back and drink the cool aide. Intelligence has become a defect and ignorance a calling for the legions of indoctrinated. The real HRC is an extraordinary human being, she is flawed like us all and even though the bar for her has been set so much higher than any man, she always rises to the task. There is no convincing tha rabid haters and the far right, but I hope and am optimistic that that intelligent reasoned thinkers in our society have figured out that they are better than the lies, innuendo and hysteria that the GOP have promulgated for more than 30 years and are just that . And when people like you shine a little light into the coners of all of this we will all be the better for it.
Jeannine, thank you for your comment here. Sadly, I have been very disappointed with the AP’s recent attacks, without facts. Fortunately, other media are now sharing the FALSE attacks from the AP. Peace, Michael.
You say the hate that Trump is spreading, what hate is this please provide a link to a full-length video uncut of Trump being hateful. Also, Hilary called me deplorably in the basket of racist homophobic and evil. I may not be LGBT but I as a Christian was raised and taught according to the bible to not judge another human being I have no right to the only god does so with that in mind I happily voted yes for gay rights and marriage rights 🙂 after all, if god gives me a choice they have the same choices. As for racist I’ve dated black men Hispanic men and white men color makes no difference to me its the spiritual connection between two human beings I also have a half latina child. And evil, oh boy sigh and big lol I am an in home medical care provider for disabled vets officers elderly and mentally developmentally disabled children teens and adults as well as incurable diseases as cancer and Parkinsons. I don’t make a large amount of money and I am over qualified as my past in tells financial accounting for my past local city ( big bucks) I was not fired or laid off just felt a calling to be a better woman and community member so please tell me how I am deplorable. Her comment regarding myself as a Trump supporter is extremely hurtful, she wants to lead America into greatness but half of 60% are deplorable are we included in her plans or will I with many others be left behind, again !
agreed! #gottovoteHillary. basically good (not left enough for me but…)
Thank you, booksquirm! Yes, not left enough for me either, but I can be excited about her Presidency. Peace, Michael.
With all that power and intelligence and access to power poverty and racism persists and she has continued to deal with the symptoms rather than address the causes of poverty and racism. That makes her the enemy with palatine and parasitical tendencies. It’s the persistence of poverty and racism that taints her otherwise sterling accomplisments
Dr. Gregoire, I’m not certain it is in any way fair to hold a single individual responsible to undo system racism and the intersecting identities of poverty and race and gender.
To Elishia
Thank you for all the awesome things you do. You asked for a full uncut video of Trump being hateful. What I am sharing I think is really enlightening. It shows what is happening at Trump rallies. You can hear him speak, and you can see what it means and what it does. .http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/03/cumulative-hate-trump-supporters-pattern-history.html
y concern was and still is WHY does she condone GMOs? I can not vote for someone who is telling people GMOs are not bad! WHAT????!
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GMOs are not bad. That’s just more anti-science hysteria.
Please …. one step at a time!
Thank you for clarifying-the same hatred Obama has endured due to his color Hillary is being pilloried because of her gender. I love Bernie, was all ready to vote for him-now, after hearing his speech @ DNC I’m voting for Hilary-we absolutely cannot have Trump the Chump! Goddess help America grow the hell up!
Indeed.
Barbara, GMO’s are really not bad actually.
So many politicians are pro GMO but so are so many of our citizens. Not sure the issues are understood enough to call a pro-GMO politician corrupt or not
I agree about the GMO’s and will do everything I can to educate people about the evil Monsanto. Together we can educate Hillary about the danger — she will evolve. There is so much to be done to right the wrongs that have been/are being done in this country. Keep petitioning congress until they listen. Hillary can’t do everything by herself, but we can help get this done !!
She’s right about GMOs. Science!
I am certainly not a geneticist, worked very hard for my C in college, but a good friend is and she agrees with you. I’ve seen a few presentations that indicate that modifying foods is not harmful. I would love to have more (and simple) information to share with people like me who are not versed in the science. Any suggestions?
Though GMOs are not known to be harmful, my problem with them is they will do us no good. The technology corporations were touting GMO foods as a way to reduce world hunger, yet the reason for hunger is not that the world does not produce enough food, but unequal distribution, weather problems and wars. Giving more power to multinational corporations will likely only worsen two of those three problems, while increasing food yields in only the affluent parts of the world.
Thank you Brian, I hadn’t thought of the issue in those terms. Mega-corporations are not good for anyone as far as I’m concerne.
Much appreciated!
Peace.
Every type of food you eat is in some way genetically modified. What exactly are you scared of?
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN EDUCATED BUT FOOLED INSTEAD!
Ha! Says who? You? …. and who are you? Don’t worry … Who cares? 🙄
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I would be more one board if you wouldn’t frame it as a good vs evil fantasy.
Well that was lame
Did you forget about our Ambassador and three soldiers that she let die in Libya?? Military was waiting to help and she told them the “stand down”. Then she lied to the parents about their deaths. There are too many lies to list!! She put our military & country at high risk with her private email server and yes, she is smart, smart enough to know better than to do this. She knew she was wrong, that is why she deleted 33,000 emails! And now, in the last 6 weeks, five people who posed a threat to her have died! Shades of 1990.
…. that’s your belief! I will let it be … 😦 … those are the lies they want to feed you.
Take a look (from another visitor, listee below) … PolitiFact has rated Hillary the most honest of all 2016 Presidential Candidates (including Bernie Sanders).
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/fact-checking-2016-democratic-presidential-candida/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/mar/15/presidential-scorecards-so-far-march-15-2016/
Thank you, Dr. Rex! 🙂
You’re most welcome, dearest friend … some have definitely rank the kool-aid!
I had three people die to whom I owed money. Coincidence? I wish someone would write a conspiracy blog about me.
Look into your facts. The army could not have reached the embassy in time, as per them not her. She did not put anything on her emails that was classified and secretary of states have often used different servers including Rice and Powell. And I think you are thinking about Bush for the deleted emails.
Please do your research.
One of the parents of a military soldier that was killed there is suing the lady. I for one will not vote a female for president.
“I won’t vote for a female president.” Wow!
It sure is a good thing that GW didn’t lead anyone to an unnecessary death.
Carla, get your facts straight. She has been totally exhonerated of any wrong doing for all of mud throwing. She has been vetted more over the past 25 years than anyone in our history. The Republicans have been afraid of her for at least that time period, and have continually thrown mud to see what might stick. Go to Prolitofact and ask questions rather than blindly being manipulated by the Republican right. Systemic mysoginy in this country is the real problem, not Hillary!!!
Many forget the Benghazi event was a conspiracy that took place in an ungovernable nation 8,000 miles from the U.S. With only warlords and militias in control, how could Hillary Clinton possibly know anything on the ground?
Yet, that same conspiracy grew out of the greatest conspiracy in history where the most powerful, sophisticated nation in the world, and possibly in history, was shutdown in every respect, lost 3,000 people and completely humbled. But, no one asked what Bush knew or should have known. While no one thought to hold him responsible, many of his Republican friends only two years earlier, tried to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about a blow job in the White House.
How dare they! Now, many of the same supporters of Bush and the crackpot tea-baggers will vote for Donald Trump, forgetting they he’s soliciting espionage from a hostile foreign government for political gain.
Doesn’t that say it all?
It is Fox News, Breitbart, Radical Republican hate mongering drivel. Did you sit and listen to testimony…the wheel thing? Did you read about the ambassador’s wife and family and their opinion. The man who wrote the speech for the son killed in Benghazi says he was wrong to write it. And have you kept your emails all the way back to 2009?
The military “order to stand down” can only come from ONE PERSON and THAT PERSON IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
Hillary was Secretary of State and therefore could not have given any type of order to the military, only the Commander in Chief. You have bought into the false narrative.
I recently read that Hillary wasn’t responsible as a Sec of State, that it was the Sec of Defense that made the final decisions about Benghazi. I don’t know about the validity of that, but those men were well trained and knew what their job was and how dangerous to boot going into it. Their commanders on site were ultimately the ones responsible for sending them into any situation, if you truly want to split hairs. Had it went well, I’m sure the opposition would have called her a murderer in the other direction. It’s been a smear campaign since they caught wind of how strong she is as a person. They’re basically scared she’ll make the changes that really need to be made, which will probably change their cushy lifestyles. How many taxpayers dollars are they going to waste on e-mails and total BS before someone puts an end to the lies to discredit her? If they can’t prove one lie, they’ll just invent another and some people eat it up. I look at it this way, if she’s that damn smart and good at doing these heinous feats of covert behavior, things where they can’t prove anything and everyone is so loyal, not one person can prove maleficence, I think I’ll go with her. That’s just crazy as a fox, intelligence! And SMH at a man who won’t vote for a person on the female gender. Where would you be without your mama?
Dear Rhonda: Thank you for expressing your views with a logical mind. I agree with you completely! Younger voters have not followed Hillary’s life and career as closely as many of us. I have followed and read everything I could about her for over 25 years. I switch between news channels and came to realize early on that Fox and tabloids perpetuate lies and propaganda against Hillary AND Bill and continue to do so. Hillary was not responsible for Bill’s philandering ways. I know fully well Hillary was not responsible for the Benghazi tragedy. In the spirit of transparency, she shared early information as reasons for the attack that turned out to be erroneous and corrected. #I’mwithHer I intend to volunteer with my local Dem volunteers to get out the vote. Also, this business of investigating the Clinton Foundation is totally bogus. The Foundation earned 5 starts for their charity work and 89% of the funds are directed towards charitable works — providing clean water and medication — HIV drugs, etc. Thanks again for your post.
Carla, You are right on.
When the sister of Ambassador Chris Stevens can come out on behalf of her family to advise the public not to lay blame, I think we can all afford to respect the bereaved:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/chris-stevenss-family-dont-blame-hillary-clinton-for-benghazi
Ugh. They have shown over and over that there was never a stand down order. More lies… That you claim as fact.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp
You are seriously misinformed. read the Benghazi report before you say foolish things.
And you know your information is absolutely accurate??? HOW?…
Don’t forget she killed Gene Wilder too.
Not every death is Hillary’s fault. And wait – I thought it was Obama’s fault? Maybe it was the fault of the killers actually.
This may well be your opinion, but it’s not based on facts and it’s obvious you don’t know anything about the military chain of command. Otherwise you would know that even if Hillary Clinton (or any other Secretary of State for that matter) had ordered troops into Benghazi, f*ck all would have happened because they don’t take orders from SoS.
thanks for keeping it real
Carla, in resurrecting accusations that were debunked 11 times (to the tune of millions of dollars of taxpayer money), you are a prime example of the above-decried anti-Clinton determination to find something…anything…anything at all!!…to justify an unjustifiable hatred of Hillary Clinton. Catch up on your reading and quit spinning your wheels. (Try Politifacts or Fact Check.)
Carla, in resurrecting accusations that have debunked 11 times (to the tune of millions of dollars of taxpayer money), you are a prime example of the above-decried anti-Clinton determination to find something…anything…anything at all!!…to justify an unjustifiable hatred of Hillary Clinton. Catch up on your reading and quit spinning your wheels. (Try Politifacts or Fact Check.)
Carla, in resurrecting accusations that were debunked 11 times (to the tune of millions of dollars of taxpayer money), you are a prime example of the above-decried anti-Clinton determination to find something…anything…anything at all!!…to justify an unjustifiable hatred of Hillary Clinton. Catch up on your reading and quit spinning your wheels. (Try Politifacts or Fact Check.)
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It’s no republican propaganda that Clinton is a career politician who takes speaking fees from Goldman Sachs, petroleum companies, and Time Warner. She voted for the invasion of Iraq, and has encouraged policies that have been used for decades to try black minors as adults. She scorns the concerned citizens who ask her what her plans are to help the environment, accusing them of being part of a smear campaign, and very visibly demonstrates a frightening lack of self-efficacy, just like Trump, when she is posed a question that will not depict her in the best light. People don’t trust her because they know they shouldn’t, and I wish you luck with your bullshit feminist spin doctor articles when you try to convince everyone voting for Jill Stein that they are misogynists.
The propaganda is not in the telling, but in the hypocrisy of the interpretation. It is not illegal. Voting for the war on Iraq cannot be truly judged, unless you first question the very intentionally wrong misinformation given to those voting by Cheney and Bush. I have no idea what you are saying in the words preceding or following “self-efficacy”. I can’t imagine someone (Hillary) working so hard to effect changes, for so many years, in the face of the unrelenting misogynist barrage attacking her character from the Republican Party. Self-efficacy regarding Trump running for president? I think appropriate words might be egotistic, megalomaniac, or narcissist. The last sentence…you lost me at “bullshit”.
The first clause of your last sentence is a perfect example of what Michael writes about…
” Voting for the war on Iraq cannot be truly judged,”
oh, yes it can!
A vote for War is a vote for War!
honestly,you are so full of crap I’m sure your breath stinks, as far as giving speeches I would distrust anyone stupid enough to turn down a quarter million to give a speech..that would be dumb, it’s just the piling on of lies from the gop, they still are raging mad because a black man got into their white house, by God they aren’t going allow a woman to get in there next…it’s really sad especially how many dimwits believe every lie they spew and how they are willing to vote for and support a maniac they know is bad for the country to keep her out, I’ve never considered myself to be a member of either party, but gotta give a big shout out to the gop, they have made me a confirmed democrat….thanks.
Good read. Question: what about the articles about Hillary’s health problems? Do you think its another smear campaign against her ? Nurturing the systemic misogyny? what’s your take ?
Not only is Hillary Clinton not honest, but she’s a crook. The evidence for that is overwhelming. Bill Clinton’s speaking fees more than doubled when she became secretary of state. While I’m no fan of the right wing by any stretch, the sheer number of serious accusations of very serious wrong doing are telling. There’s way too much smoke for there to be no fire.
The Clinton’s are the most corrupt politicians on the national scene right now. Hillary is the most corrupt presidential candidate we have ever seen and was actually rated the most corrupt politician of 2015 by FACT. Follow the money and there are VAST sums connected to the Clintons.
Politifact has rated the claims regarding Bill’s huge increase in fees as True. Why such a huge increase? He and Hillary were selling influence. See:
Your reply to Dr. Rex merely proves the veracity of this article.
If you say so …. Any way, I’d rather have her than Trump!
You want facts about vast money? How about how Donald Trump and his company are 635 million dollars in debt. Why do think trump won’t show his tax returns. Not only that, he extorts money from his backers, claiming he is “bankrupt”. She’s not a crook or a criminal. There was a private investigator that looked into Hillary’s background and officially announced that what she did with her emails, though not safe, wasn’t considered illegal.
Since when is it wrong to make money giving speeches?
I love how you document your claim — by typing FACT after it! In all caps no less! Wow, that is attribution at its finest!
Correlation does not equal causation. His speaking fees doubled and that’s because she was selling him?! Perhaps you could consider that he became relevant once again, with her in this powerful post. Take a look at his/their accomplishments during this time, that would lead someone to book him as a speaker, and the fact that prior to her becoming SOS he had health issues and had taken time from the spotlight to recover. Correlation NOT causation.
Really?? You are going to use FACT to prove Hillary is corrupt? Matthew G. Whitaker (born October 29, 1969 in Des Moines, Iowa) is a lawyer and Republican politician. Whitaker is Executive Director of The Foundation for Accountability & Civic Trust (FACT), a conservative, nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting accountability, ethics, and transparency in government. Sooo, I would expect nothing less.
Really?? Every time I read a post such as this I just have to scratch my head in wonderment. Where do you get your information? Is it from the DNC or Hillary’s campaign? I have no problem with a woman being president but I have a big problem with Hillary being president. There is a long record of Hillary’s lies, vindictiveness and poor judgement. Even if only 20% of her alleged miss deeds are true she has no business being president. Just about everything she has touched in politics has been a failure. She did nothing as senator and most of the things she did as Secretary of State are a mess or turned out very badly for the country. In addition her health appears to be very poor and deteriorating. Her husband looks even worse. I have to give the Clinton’s credit when it comes to setting up front organizations such as the Clinton Family Foundation. They are masters at creating things that appear to be for the good of mankind but instead are for the good of the Clintons. The Clinton Foundation collects millions, gives a little to charity for the optics and uses the rest for “expenses” and to keep her campaign staff employed between her runs for the presidency. It is a well conceived con even though it is unethical and illegal. Rather than be in the White House Hillary should probably be in prison along with her husband. When Hillary and Bill left the White House he she said they were “dead broke”. They are now worth over $100 million. How did they make that much money on a government salary? Was it the great book she wrote? She says she will control Wall Street if she is elected yet she takes millions from Wall Street. Bernie was right when he pointed this out on many occasions. Hillary is a fraud. Electing her president simply because she is female is a big mistake.
My gawd!! You are listening to DT’s talking points & Fox Noise! 🙄
Sadly, yes, Dr. Rex.
Sigh.
The question is where are you getting your information. FOX News? Briebart? Rush Limbaugh? The Trump campaign? Sounds like.
“Long record of lies…” Such a vague charge. Name the lies you are talking about. One by one. I’ll bet you can’t. Prove them. I know you can’t do that. I was a Sanders supporter who changed after seeing the Sanders campaign in action at my local cause and not liking how sexist it was. Woman shouted down and so fort. As a new Clinton supporter, I decided to chase down many of those supposed lies she was telling, just to be sure I was right to change. And I was appalled at the reporting and the flat out sexism even by supposedly liberal media in the Sanders/Clinton primary and now the media in the general.
The lies she supposedly told, after years of “investigating” (by Republicans mind you) turned out to be campaigns of lies by people with a political agenda shouting “liar.” Nothing more. Maybe a grain of truth, but pretty much a grain developed to justify the attack on her.
The lack of accomplishments is another vague and false claim. Here is a list of her accomplishments. It’s pretty amazing to me. I would be happy with one or two of those in a lifetime. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/ Whoever told you she didn’t accomplish anything is lying.
One thing I noticed about the biggest and most long-lasting claims that Hillary is lying that they are/were usually first announced and later spun out by FOX News, run by Roger Ailes. You know Roger Ailes, right? The guy who has a dozen of sexual harassment cases against him? We can’t know how many really because of secrecy settlements. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/business/secrecy-of-settlements-at-fox-news-hid-bad-behavior.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FSexual%20Harassment&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0
) Ailes is a professional liar and bully. So you choose to believe him? What does that make you?
Ailes latest creation is “Hillary’s Health Problem.” You can always pick out an Ailes creation because he loves a short phrase they can report in the headline and get repeated over and over to cover the lie. Who says that her health is poor and deteriorating? Donald Trump. There is absolutely no evidence she has poor health. She has two good health reports from two well-known doctors–same as every other male candidate for president submits without questions. Donald Trump is down in the polls, people were wondering about his mental health, so he launched this campaign about Mrs.Clinton’s health.
Here we go again.
If she doesn’t respond to this nonsense, she is being “secretive.” If she does, she is being “defensive.” If she says she’s healthy, they will suggest she is lying. That’s how they roll. Kind of the modern version of a Salem Witch Trial. No good answer for the woman. Men aren’t even questioned.
Did those same sources tell you about Donald Trump’s so-called health report? About the hilarious claims that “all his tests are positive” from an unknown gastroenterologist with phony credential claims on his stationary who doesn’t seem to know that positive tests are usually a bad thing. It reads like Trump penned it himself. Here is an analysis of it by an actual doctor.
https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/im-a-doctor-these-are-the-things-i-find-concerning-with-trumps-medical-letter/by a doctor.
We all know Bill Clinton had bypass surgery and is now a vegan. It’s one of the things he promotes and is a program of the Clinton Foundation. Why do you bring it up as an issue in your voting in this election? He is not running for president. She is. That IS sexism, dude.
The Clintons are indeed rich, although they did not grow up with silver spoons in their mouths like their opponents. Net worth $80 million according to their tax returns. The reason we know about the Clinton’s wealth is because they have made all their tax returns public unlike either Trump or Sanders. The reason we don’t know if Donald Trump is up to his hips in Russian mob money is because he won’t release his. The Clintons left the presidency almost broke, in part because of the never ending investigations by Republican Kenneth Starr (who spent years and millions to find nothing except that the Clintons unwisely invested in a real estate scheme that went bad, and they got ripped off along with all the other investors.) They have since have developed a net worth of $80 million, all of it from public speaking, mostly by Bill Clinton. They didn’t try any real estate investments again. Wonder why?
You can disagree, but I personally don’t have a problem with the public speaking. And I was absolutely amazed and the hue and cry about Mrs. Clintons speeches to Goldman Sachs. Why won’t she release it, a read a reporter asking, right after I had watched it on YouTube. It was about gender equity in the finance industry. And I heard she donated the fee to charity. We can’t limit candidates to trust-fund babies and criticize those who earn their way, even if it is with public speaking. Everybody in politics at the national level these days is rich. I do have a problem with that, but it is not Mrs. Clinton’s personal problem. It’s an issue, especially for Democrats who want to raise taxes on millionaires as does Mrs. Clinton. Because that is the foundation for the FOX opposition in the first place. All these billionaires: Murdoch, Koch’s, Trump who don’t want to pay more taxes–and in Trumps case their bills or their employees. That’s not sexist. That is just politics.
Your claims about the Clinton Foundation are completely inaccurate. Instead of building a library in their name, they decided to have an Presidential Foundation that is an active charity, that does actual charitable work itself. I think that is great. I would rather have them out helping people that building a presidential monument.
CharityWatch, and independent charity watch dog, concluded about 89% percent of its budget is spent on programs. (And yes, tens of thousands of children are not dying of diarrhea because of the Clinton Foundation’s programs, among other things. There are real programs staffed all around the world.) The average for public charities is 75%, so they aren’t out of line on administrative expenses. All of their donors are reported publicly, more frequently since the campaign. None of the money goes to the campaign as you claim. Claims that they only give 10% to charity come from a Republican opponent and are just plain wrong because they misunderstood how private charities report. It’s been explained many times. So folk who continute to tell you that are lying.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/.
Thank you Michael for your original post.
Thank you for an extraordinarily eloquent and well stated comment! Peace, Michael.
Bravo, and thanks for taking the time to write this. Your piece deserves a wider audience. If you have a blog, I encourage you to post it. Or try to get it published elsewhere. At the very least, you can copy and paste it as a reply to any other ignorant attack on Clinton. As I will do (with attribution). Thanks again.
Richard, Really? To only one of your “points”, the “corrupt” Foundation. Televangelists. The Biggest Pay for Play scheme that no one seems to care much about. Kenneth Copeland net worth, $760 Million, Pat Robertson $100 Million, Benny Hinn $42 Million, Joel Osteen $40 Million, Creflo Dollar $27 Million, Billy Graham $25 Million, Rick Warren $25 Million, Bishop T. D Jakes $18 Million. That’s a whole hell of a lot of “worth”. Does anyone know what good works they’ve done with the money they take in?
The Clinton foundation has 12% administration costs, and 88% to the programs they fund. These 8 people have a total net worth of over 1 billion dollars. If you, for argument’s sake, consider this accumulated wealth their administration fee (a huge stretch) and parallel the stats of the Clinton Foundation then you could extrapolate and hope that they have raised 100 Billion Dollars for charitable and worthwhile causes. Hope and pray that they did. They did not.
If you think that all of the money collected by these televangelists should not wholly go to humans in need, then I guess you are you are okay with pay for play, in the case of salvation. These are the people who are, in your words the “masters at creating things that appear to be for the good of mankind but instead are for…”. Do you care about this? If this does not concern you, or take up equal time in your conversation, then I have to question your motivation of care here.
There are so many falsehoods in your post about the Clinton Foundation, Hillary’s “long record of lies” for which you have no proof, and your idiotic remark about her book (she wrote more than one, dummy), that your post is utterly worthless.
Let me be very transparent and more importantly honest. This is nothing but worthless political babble. You need to do a serious factual retake.
Seems to have gone very quiet on this site since Hillary and Barack went down to defeat. Guess the citizens just couldn’t stomach such a big crook in the Whitehouse. Just had to laugh as I watched the commentators on CNBC, CNN, PBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and CBS try to explain how she lost. Pathetic.
“such a big crook in the Whitehouse.” Wow! I am embarrassed for you right now, Richard. You have elected a racist, homophobic, misogynistic piece of hell, who has made it clear the only people safe in the United States right now are white, heterosexual, cis gender, able bodied men. You are sadly on the wrong side of history and I feel sorry for you and for this nation.
RIchard Ocepek: yes, since Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump by (at last count) 1.7 million votes, it appears the voters certainly did not want a crook in the White House. Unfortunately, one will get in in January anyway.😒
Well stated, Brian. Peace, Michael.
WOW, I DIDN’T THING THERE WAS SO MANY BRAIN WASHED PEOPLE IN AMERICA, AS TO LET KILLERY BRAIN WASH THEM, ALL KILLERY IDIOTS, !!
Robert, I’m embarrassed for you here! Please learn to engage civilly and with due respect.
Wow yourself!! I DIDN’T THINK THERE WERE SO MANY BRAINWASHED PEOPLE IN AMERICA … AS TO LET TRUMPERY BRAIN WASH THEM, ALL TRUMPERY IDIOTS! Back at ya! 😳
Yeah, reblog this as much as possible, because we people who don’t like Hillary Clinton just can’t get enough of hearing about what sexist and gullible fools we are.
I don’t read the article as an indictment of any of today’s voters, at all. I think it is necessary, though, to offer a view of Hillary Clinton with history and context, especially for younger voters who weren’t old enough in the 70’s and 80’s to actually understand the systemic sexism as it was in that time. It is still around, but more nuanced? And then, there are older voters, who may just not have paid attention to its possible/probable beginnings with Hillary Clinton until whenever it came onto their radar, which could have been years removed from its beginnings. For instance, if she came under your radar as secretary of state, most people would not look back 20 years to her beginnings to get a better perspective.
The problem with HRC is that she’s just not very good at whatever she is called on, or volunteers, to do. She was an unethical member of the Watergate investigative staff, a less than distinguished attorney at the Rose law firm, a US Senator of no consequence, and a Secretary of State with no accomplishments to speak of. As first lady she supported her husband’s efforts to conceal the bimbo erruption by calling his later vindicated accusers a bunch of liars. She voted for the Iraq war when, based on her husband’s knowledge of the truth, she should have known better. After Benghazi, she failed to acknowledge the Al Queda planned attack when she knew the whole video story was nonsense. Her personal email system while SOS shows, at best, a stunning lack of judgment, and, at worst, an intent to conceal a pay for play scheme funded through the Clinton Foundation. Without her husband leading the way, she would likely be an attorney with a big firm, making good money as a back room researcher. She will almost certainly be our next President, thanks mostly to her husband and the comical opponent put up by the Republicans. 4 or 8 years from now, we will be looking back and wondering why she was unable to get anythig done as POTUS. We can blame the Repiblicans, of course, but the reality is she just isn’t very good at anything. Besides marrying well.
Thanks Michael. You gave us words to express the feelings that I couldn’t. .
All I could seem to express that I thought She should be our next President and I think trump is an Idiot and dangerous.
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I lived in Augusta, Georgia, in the 1990s. I remember the bumper stickers “Who Elected HER??!!” –How dare she hyphenate her name? How dare she try to bring health care for all? Make me a sandwich, woman, and STFU. I was ashamed that was my country then, I am ashamed this is the country I identify as mine now. Here is what you can say to people who have bought into the illusion that she is corrupt and tells lies: You don’t know her. I don’t know her. We only know what experts who have an agenda tell us. See it like this: There is a man you know nothing about. For 24 years, his enemies have tried to destroy him. They spent millions of dollars, held dozens of hearings, read his emails, dissected every aspect of his life–and this man survived and prospered. You would say that is a strong man, because he faced his enemies and didn’t crumble, You might even say that is a moral man, because if his enemies could not find anything to bring him down, maybe there was nothing to find. Would you have withstood such scrutiny? I know I wouldn’t.
Very nice.
Excellent! Thank you for your words.
Once again, Hillary’s immediate reaction when faced with a difficult choice is to withhold the truth. She was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, but only revealed it when she collapsed on Sunday. If she is less than candid on an issue like her health, which, while important because she is a candidate for President, is not a national security issue, what will she do when faced with a truly important matter? Based on her past performance, she will not tell the truth to the American people. She is untrustworthy, and, therefore, unfit to be President.
Wow! You are really reaching here, Neil. It is disturbing how quickly you will do anything to vilify HRC.
It would have been a sign of weakness I am sure, if she had said that she was getting sick and needed to take a few days off. Pneumonia sneaks up on people, which is why many have “walking pneumonia” for weeks and think that they only have a bad cold. I am so tired of people acting like middle schoolers (sorry for the negative, dear middle schoolers… most of you are much more mature than these critics) and calling out anything and everything they can find. She wasn’t “hiding” her illness, she was trying to take care of it and get better! I am 100% sure that if she had come out earlier and said “I’m sick” she would have been dinged for that too. How did our world turn into such a hating environment?
Vilify? Really? That’s a reach. She didn’t disclose her illness. Why? Because she would be criticized for being ill? I didn’t criticize her for being ill, that happens to everyone. I criticized her for not being open about it. It is pretty clearly a pattern with her. Not a quality I want in my President. I’m voting for Gary Johnson. He’s not perfect, but he’s better than the two major party candidates.
Gary Johnson, yes of course! Johnson who said, “We need to be worried about East Korea.” Wow! Johnson sadly exemplifies where our education system has failed so many!
So it should be Clinton, who claimed to be under fire on the tarmac, who turned over all her emails to the FBI, who didn’t know what a confidential marking was, and whose husband was being falsely accused of cheating on her with all those bimbos? Yah, you go with that. If you’re looking for perfection in your candidate, you need to look somewhere else than this Presidential election.
Neil, the Gary Johnson who didn’t know what Aleppo was? What planet are you going to live on?
lyme, the same planet where Clinton claimed to be under fire on the tarmac, and Trump was pro choice before he became pro life. I am assuming you’re from the dark side of the moon, right?
I think her recollection of the landing is excusable, given the alarming briefing they were given beforehand. You don’t appear to be a person who would excuse Clinton for anything, however. I prefer to look at her voting record than at all of these red herrings her detractors are throwing about, and I like much of what I see there. Not everything, but much. She seems to be serious about trying to make life better for Americans.
I’m not one of those who blame her for the deaths in Benghazi, although her following the party line post-Benghazi about the video causing a spontaneous demonstration is inexcusable. As for her voting record, she is basically pro-wall street and pro-military, and I am for the return of Glass-Steagel and a smaller military (do we really need 12 aircraft carrier groups?). So I don’t agree with many of her positions. Trump is not an option, which leaves Gary Johnson, or no vote at all.
I meant to include this link to Clinton’s financial plans. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/
Therefore, your choice is Donald Trump? I wonder ….
No, it’s Gary Johnson. I’ve had some second hand dealings with the Donald in NYC construction. He doesn’t pay his bills, a trait also followed by Bloomburg. I won’t vote for Trump for the same reason that I won’t vote for Clinton. Untrustworthy.
Do you think G. Johnson has a chance?
don’t be blinded ! She is fake, self serving and power hungry.
Eda, did you even read the article? Sad that you supply no evidence and no substance.
And if she were a man would you say the same thing?
I’m also a Bernie supporter now Hillary supporter. I would also like to point out that PolitiFact has rated Hillary the most honest of all 2016 Presidential Candidates (including Bernie Sanders).
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/fact-checking-2016-democratic-presidential-candida/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/mar/15/presidential-scorecards-so-far-march-15-2016/
Jennifer, thank you for including these links! Love and Peace, Michael.
Politifact is a very leftist view and has been called out on it and proven very biased. Not a whole lot better than the National Enquirer. A real researcher would not go to the Guardian or Politifact but actually research from the ground up. This is just more political fluff. I cant vote for either Hillary or the Donald. What Politifact did in this how honest they are is they took thing they new where truthful for one and untruthful for the other to prove their stance, I can make the exact same graph and by using different potential lies have the Donald at 100% factual and Hillary at 100% lying.
Actually, no. In fact, many think Politifact is more right wing, Brian.
Politifact is a Pulitizer Prize winning group. If you’re Republican you see a leftist bent; if you’re a Democrat you see a rightist bend. Nevertheless, Hillary is the most truthful of all who had hoped to have the office of president. She has held her head up the past four years while Congress spent millions trying to find something that would halt her presidential aspirations. The truth is: she was the only presidential hopeful prepared for the job. And, she is most likely going to be your next president.
The criticism of Politifact has been around for awhile. I believe their analysis are accurate, but they may be biased in which statements they analyze. But overall, a decent effort. Your suggestion that real researchers do their own research is, in fact, what both ABC and CBS did during the conventions — and Hillary Clinton withstood their scrutiny with flying colors. One could argue that they are biased, but one can argue that everything is biased. Be informed and think. That is what is required of us.
You can also very effectively lie to your self, Brian. Congrats. 🙂 pip
Let’s not get too excited. She IS a politician. 48% of her statements are half true, mostly false, false or pants on fire. Wouldn’t it be nice to have an actual honest person rather than the most honest politician?
All politicians lie. Most often to CYA (Hilary), and We all have done that and we have much,much less to lose! And they lie when they desperately want something (Trump – the man who would be king)
But Trump lies every time he speaks. It’s pathological, so easy to see. It takes him no thought time or hesitation. And the sickest parts are that he seems to believe his own lies and feels no shame and gives no apologies when caught out in these lies. Google or go to Youtube and type in “Trumps lies”, they are off the charts. HIS lies are all to fool uneducated people into voting for him. He doesn’t want to do the Work of being president (he doesn’t even read) he just wants to BE President Trump.
Re her emails: something people don’t seem to think about (I haven’t heard it mentioned) is that with Hilary’s experience, patriotism, and dedication to this country for 50+ years,
Do you really think she would do something to leak Classified Info on purpose? To what end? Is she really a spy who took 50 years to act out? And does anyone really think she couldn’t tell if something was too hot to talk about on her computer?
And if she were in any way responsible for the deaths in Ben. it wouldn’t have taken 6-7 investigations by the republicans to find that out, one would have done it. And it’s so easy to critique decisions knowing the outcome!
There are lies and there are Big Lies and Pathological Lies that harm people. The functional lies is what allows all of us to survive and is conditioned in the brain. These functional lies is what gives us privacy. Would you want a President to spill everything during important negotiations just to 100% truthful ? That would be very harmful. Even the most honest person would have to use these half truths and fibs to function effectively. Every one of us has to do it; heck we lie (fib) to our children as they are not mature enough to handle information. We lie to an old or sick person so as to comfort them. The list is endless. Also mistakes can be spun as lies by opponents. And all humans make mistakes and the competent ones learn from it and make fewer ones. We can never achieve perfection.
Thanks for a terrific, thoughtful post. You have articulated my own thoughts through this political season far better than I could. I thank Bernie for incorparating and pushing, and it pains me a bit to recognize my own bias (I’m female, too, so it’s really weird). Watching HRC’s acceptance speech I had the strangest feelings. Watching something historic, unprecedented in American politics, yet, fearful. I found myself holding my breath because I was afraid for her. Afraid she wouldn’t be “perfect.” How’s that for ingrained bias? I’d never, ever had that thought watching a presidential candidate before. HRC is the most prepared candidate for POTUS in history — yet all I could see was her gender. She is breaking new ground — and it’s about time.
Rosie, thank you for such candor and vulnerability here! I hope people see your comment, as I think it demonstrates how ingrained and systemic misogyny is. Peace, Michael.
I see it. I resonate with it.
I wish I could make a heart sign here, but I’m not particularly good at the technology! 🙂
Thanks, Rosie. I have to agree with Michael’s assessment. My husband was a Bernie supporter, one of two when the party caucuses to select convention delegates. Watching him change over has been interesting as he became disillusion ed with Bernie and my arguments about how strong and assertive women being maligned and dissed began to persuade him. As a lawyer, and a strong woman, I see myself in Hillary. She’s everything I ever wanted to be.
“I was afraid for her. Afraid she wouldn’t be “perfect.” How’s that for ingrained bias?”
You speak that for many of us, Rosie!
Nobody being perfect it is only normal to find flaws in a highly visible woman like Hillary Clinton. Even though, like you, I was supporting a much more liberal and progressive candidate, I applaud Hillary Clinton for her work on universal health care. Without what she did in the early 1990’s and what Nancy Pelosi did later, our current president wouldn’t have been able to move the universal heatlh care forward. I’m not surprised the idea came from a woman. I would have loved her to pick another woman as a VP. But. She must reassure the while male vote, right? Great post, Michael.
Evelyne, I always appreciate your insights! Yes, I would have preferred a much more progressive candidate, and I think our Hillary will be a fantastic president. Thank you again for commenting here! Peace, Michael.
I fear that with an extremist GOP house, all we may see is vitriol and obstruction. They may even try to impeach her based on political disagreement. I have never seen a political party so consumed by pure hate. As Prof. Chomsky says, the GOP is off the spectrum and is no longer a political party, rather a radical insurgency. Despite disagreements he has stated his support for HRC.
Sashi, thank you for commenting here! Sad and accurate statement you make. Yes, I’m glad Chomsky is supporting HRC. Peace, Michael.
I agree!! Yet when faced w the available options, I see there’s no other option but Hillary … and she’s a great option. She has quality, finesse and so much knowledge!!
Exactly, she has so much knowledge!!!
I am so in love with you. I also did tons of research on Hillary Clinton and was actually saddened to come to the same conclusion. Now that I have arrived at this conclusion, I see things through a different prism. For example, this morning, Joe Scarborough kept referring to the Washington Post as having awarded her 4 Pinocchio’s based on her sticking to her guns, that she never sent or received emails marked classified in real time while on her personal server (on a Sunday FOX TV show). There was a video that showed the FBI Director Comey stating that there were 3 emails marked classified that were sent via her personal server.
But that is not all she wrote. Later on in his testimony, in response to questions by democrats, he did clarify that these emails were not marked as classified at the top of the documents as is standard. There was a mark of “C” in the body of the work product. Again, upon prompting, he did admit that even the most sophisticated user of classified information would likely have missed seeing these marks.
The Washington Post did not write on any of this but FactCheck.org did do a clarification.
This morning, I did comment on this issue in the Washington Post article by Glenn Kessler and I did email MSNBC.
Gronda, thank you for your comments here and for adding more resources! I love you, too! Peace, Michael.
Thanks, Michael! It’s wonderful for people to learn what I’ve known all along. May this information spread far and wide!
Thank you for the comment here and thank you for reading the blog! Peace, Michael.
Bernie Sanders last did something about 60 years ago in the 1960s and I don’t think Vermont is known for black people and until this year, he was a zero profile. he is Ralph Nader 2.0 and worse given the global conditions.
Hilary, as First Lady, drafted the original americanization of Canada;s health care and eventually that became Obamare, more or less.
Bill was the first president to meet with queer groups and say gays and lesbians.
they laid the Obama groundwork on Health and Queers
Obama was the first president to include atheists, who are the new queers and have laws against holding office in the USA.
Bernie never did any work and was too late for the ego run, last century’s man.
I wish Clinton had gone with other than a Pale Male VP, but that is part of the male bruising in the Democrat party and it’s not sunk in that Bill is gonna be the last White Male President of the Dem Party
I wish Nina Turner was in the VEEP spot, that would have electrified this election
or a hispanic male or Gen X ….
Bernie Sanders was mayor of Burlington, VT for a rather long time before he went to the U.S. House. He was in the House for a rather long time before he became a U.S. Senator. And he threw his support behind Hillary after almost winning the nomination rather than undermine her like Nader did to Al Gore. Don’t sell him short.
As for “last century’s man”, Bernie Sanders comes from a time when people looked toward this century. In this century, most of us (*especially* GenX) are preoccupied with looking back toward his early years–the years he rebelled against trying to get the 21st Century started early. We needed a reminder to start looking to the future (or , heck, even the present) again, and we’re in such a state that we had to look to the past to do it, because we as a society have lost the knack for it.
(Not you necessarily, but in general, especially my fellow white men–even young white men, who tend to come across like retreads of the Eisenhower era or something. Pale Males–I like that, BTW!–need liberating, too; they just need to understand that giving up their place atop the pecking order is a price worth paying.)
Jeff, thank you for commenting here. To all white men and specifically white heterosexual cisgender able bodied men, I would say this: Our liberation is bound with each other’s! “If you’ve come here to help me, you’re wasting your time. But if you’ve come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together.”
― Australian Aboriginal Elder Lilla Watson
That is a nice backgrounder; thank you. He was not a national USA figure and he had zero recogition outside of the USA and he came across like Crazy Uncle Grandpa making promises that have nothing to do with the job he was applying for and standing in the way of the Democrats moving forward from Obama and not backwards like a glacier. Women have yet to be equal in America, despite being 51% of the population.
Gen X didn;t get to be teenagers, the 1980s was obessed with Woodstock and the 1960s totally annoy me, it’s hetero privileged in action to be self absorb and then 1970s and Disco hets acted like gay men.
Thank you for this! I also found myself buying into the rhetoric without doing my own homework. I will be doing my own further research and I’ve shared this with my community for us to chat about.
Miss your face and energy and hope you’re well!!
On Aug 1, 2016 5:41 AM, “Social Justice For All” wrote:
> Michael Hulshof-Schmidt posted: “Let me be as candid and transparent as > possible: I was a very strong supporter of Bernie Sanders, and until the > past four weeks, held out great hope that he would become our next > President. Over the course of the past month, I have had to do a great deal > ” >
Molly, thank you for reading the article and commenting. I miss you, too, dear heart! Love, Michael.
I predicted all along that the Bernistas would sit down, shut up, and follow orders.
I wonder if that may be an oversimplification?
The “We Hate Hillary” movement is even older than Bill Clinton’s presidency. He first won the governorship in Arkansas in 1979 and recognized that the educational system was a shambles. He put Hillary in charge of improving it, and she did a wonderful job. BUT, the reactionary, red-neck voters became irate over being told what to do by a “northern woman.” Consequently, he lost his first bid for reelection in 1981. He ran again the third time in 1983 and won, and poor Hillary had “learned her lesson”, so she took a much more “invisible” part in the process of improving education in Arkansas. Fortunately we were in Arkansas from 1982-1984, and my sons benefited from all the improvements. My husband served on a Gifted and Talented committee with her, and he has nothing but good to say about her.
Abbie, thank you for commenting here. Oy! This is awful and not surprising. It is very clear Hillary has been the victim of such bitter misogyny for most of her life. Thank you for sharing what you experienced in Arkansas. Let us hope that under her Presidency, we will do some healing and evolving as a country. Peace, Michael.
Thank you, Abbie, for giving me your personal insight into this, prior to Hillary becoming a national figure. I really appreciate it!
Great article! I have not understood the rhetoric regarding HRC and the hatred toward her, especially coming from democrats and Sanders-supporters. It’s possible to prefer one candidate without hating another, and simultaneously spreading incorrect information. I did one FB post that I encouraged people to fact-check before passing on rumors (about anyone!, but I gave the example of HRC and her server), and I was slammed for it.
Valerie, thank you for commenting here. I’m so sorry you were on the receiving end of some nasty behavior just for sharing your support for HRC. I’m very sad to say that I, too, have had some very nasty bullying behavior from people when I have shared my support for HRC. I am very open to suggestions to creating some space for different opinions without spewing venom. Again, I appreciate your voice here. Peace, Michael.
Reblogged this on Central Oregon Coast NOW.
Nancy, thank you for reblogging this! Love and Peace, Michael.
Where to find correct info on HRC emails:
Revisiting Clinton and Classified Information – FactCheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/2016/…/revisiting-clinton-and-classified-information…FactCheck.org Jul 7, 2016 – Comey said three emails had “portion markings” on them indicating that they wereclassified, but they were not properly marked and therefore..
From above link:
At his July 5 press conference, FBI Director James Comey said a “very small number” of emails sent and received by Hillary Clinton over her private server “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information” — contradicting Clinton’s claims that she “never received nor sent any material that was marked classified.”
But now we are learning more about those emails from Comey, who testified before the House Oversight Committee on July 7, and State Department spokesman John Kirby, who addressed these emails at press briefings on July 6 and 7:
◾Comey said three emails had “portion markings” on them indicating that they were classified, but they were not properly marked and therefore could have been missed by Clinton. He said the emails were marked as classified with the letter “C” in the body of the email.
◾Kirby said the State Department believes that at least two of the emails were mistakenly marked as confidential. He could not speak to the third email, saying the department didn’t have “all of the records and documents that the FBI used in their investigation.”
◾Comey told the committee he is “highly confident” that FBI investigators consulted with
the State Department about the marked emails. But he said he did not know that the department believes that any of them were marked in error.
The issue is a bit complicated, but important, because it provides Clinton with a stronger defense against claims that she sent and received material that was marked as classified over her private server when she was secretary of state.
At a State Department briefing on July 6, Kirby addressed a report in the New York Times that Comey was “evidently referring to two emails that one of Mrs. Clinton’s close aides, Monica R. Hanley, sent to prepare her for telephone calls with foreign leaders.” The Times report was based on interviews with anonymous State Department officials.
Gronda, thank you for supplying more information and resources! I love this. And, let us not forget that lying piece of hell, Republican Trey Gowdy, who altered documents to try and frame HRC.
Additional info from factcheck.org:
But later in the hearing, Democratic Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman asked Comey if he knew that the State Department had said that the emails were marked classified in error. Comey replied, “No.”
Likewise, Rep. Matt Cartwright, also a Democrat, asked Comey if the emails were properly classified, and Comey said they were not. (Executive Order 13526 spells out how documents should be properly classified, including a header on the document clearly identifying the email as classified as “confidential,” “secret” or “top secret.”)
Cartwright asked if Clinton could have missed the improper markings. Comey said that that was possible.
Gronda, you are so wonderful! Thank you! Love and Peace, Michael.
Great information, Gronda..thank-you! I listened to the Committee hearing with Comey and then later could not believe they way the “she was careless and sent confidential emails” story was still being presented. So much of the way the press (and not just Faux News, Breitbart, etc) has spun these Hillary Clinton stories into clickbait has disappointed me in this election. As for why Hillary felt the need to use private email for her work, I’m sure the reasons are very complex. I was told that, at one time, many government workers could not even access their government email addresses from home (I think that was Colin Powell’s issue and why he chose to use his aol address for some of his work.) But, one issue that is often overlooked is how cumbersome the technological, especially mobile communication, options were for government employees not that long ago. Reportedly, Hillary’s request for a secure Blackberry when she began as Secretary of State was denied by the NSA. Yet, she traveled to, I believe, a record number of countries as Secretary of State. She was so often on the go. How was she supposed to communicate with her staff and others, even on routine matters, while traveling like that? (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-nsa-rejected-hillary-clinton-request-for-secure-smartphone/ ) I believe President Obama was the first POTUS to wish to use a mobile device to access email. I recall reading that he got a lot of pushback about it, too, but because he is the President, the government made it work.
Michael, you have done Hillary and America a profound service by what you have said about her, which so much needed to be said. I posted this on my Facebook page and will continue to refer people to it. Thank you immensely.
Charles, thank you for reading the article. Thank you also for your very kind words here. Peace, Michael.
Hello Michael – Congrats on the epiphany! But I give you high praise for actually looking farther than what is spewed via news and using critical thinking to satisfy your curiosity. Such clarity, questioning and wider thinking is not found in the general population as often as it used to be (read “Assault on Reason” by Al Gore as to why)…I would encourage you to read her 2 books “Living History” and “Hard Choices” to give you a longer, deeper look at her accomplishments, motivation and ‘resume’. I have always been a Hillary supporter, but would have voted Bernie if that was the direction of the primary…Best wishes, keep up the thoughtful work. Joanne
Joanne, thank you for commenting here. Thank you also for the book recommendations. I shall have to get them both from the library. Peace, Michael.
There is still the double standard. As Mika said on Morning Joe, I wonder what they would say is it was a woman running who had five children by 3 husbands. This has not even been an issue. I just read an earlier posting that referred to Trump as a moral man. What a joke.
Thank you for sharing yet another example of this double standard that only supports sexism, sadly! Peace, Michael.
Props to you for the introspection to recognize your own sexism. It’s like racism and white supremacy — we’re raised with it, so it’s our normal filter. I went thru a similar process w/HRC, even though I’m a woman & a feminist. The old ways are bone-deep.
Bravegirl, thank you for commenting here. Peace, Michael.
How often do we judge a woman by the behavior of her children? Apply that standard here and there is no mistaking that she did it right. This is one small measure of her character, yet it is one we judge women by every single day. Not the main reason Ive decided to vote for her, but the most easily obtained fact about her. Thank you for your objective post.
Sue, thank you for commenting here! Peace, Michael.
I love Hillary and have since her days as Senator of New York. Sadly, for me, before this I wasted time not allowing her personal choices when I “demanded” she leave Bill for his cheating and lying about Lewinsky. I had a lot of misplaced hatred for her in those days. My reversal on feeling that way is still evolving. First I “got over it” by recognizing how lessened her chances of being part of national politics would be if she was the ex-wife. Sexism sends ex-wives to the back of the line. HRC gave up a lot to marry Bill, and it’s not for me to say if that was a wise choice, though I believe it was, but it’s 100% for her to decide if there is value worth preserving in her private relationship. Second I have spent time thinking about her religious convictions. I have none myself, as a non-participating atheist, and it takes conscious thought and intention for me to allow value in others decisions based on their beliefs. Third, I read her wikipedia page, something I (often) urge others to do. The list of her accomplishments and actions is staggering – truly.
As an unapologetic feminist, I was outraged at the Sanders campaign. Initially simply because I felt he was running BECAUSE she was a woman. Because he as much as any older white male, thought “I can beat that; America will never elect a woman.” I didn’t think he was politically that far from my beliefs, though, and I know I would have sucked it up and voted for him come November, though I would have been personally devastated.
Alas, my reluctant acceptance of him as nearing my politics was damaged by things I discovered about the personal man during his run. Then I became outraged. And so I was gutwrenched at the damage his campaign was doing and the seeming impunity it had to lob grenades at her character, record, intelligence, and honesty. She doesn’t participate in payback, she already was living Michelle Obama’s “They go low; we go high” creed.
Now a lot of us, I believe, are recovering from the anger and fear we had over the Sanders march to “victory” as his troops reluctantly pull back. But it will take time and we will be helped by our trust and admiration and LOVE for Hillary as much as by essays such as yours. You do a lot of repair/healing by laying out your revolution from auto-trust to smart questioner. Thank you, I intend to share your essay. I have relatives who are deeply committed to Trump and I don’t seem to be able to help them become questioners, but I keep trying and need all the “ammunition” I can get. Thanks, again.
Becque, thank you for your comments here. As with most humans, I would like to think we are all always evolving and growing and learning how to put our own biases in check. I still like Bernie’s progressive platform, save for his stand on guns, but I am happily supporting HRC. Peace, Michael.
Finally, someone said it….Bernie played right into the hands of the GOP. Where does all of this venomous hatred from Berniebots stem from? Once cool headed Democrats, now hateful Trumpish crybabies. Thanks Bernie. From Bernie’s wagging finger at Hillary during debates, Bernie talking over Hillary with disrespect, Bernie handing Trump ammunition for the nickname “Crooked Hillary”, to Bernie questioning Hillary being Presidential material….the list goes on….Bernie is every bit as misogynistic as Trump. And should Hillary lose, we can give Bernie a HUUUGE thank you and a middle finger with our hands up!
This post commits the very sin it accuses the anti-Hillary folks of: passing off feelings as facts.
It merely states the anti-Hillary sentiment is all about misogyny, and never mentions a large number of real actions that show Hillary is severely lacking both in judgment and in character, quite independently of any bias in reporting.
Okay, the post touches a bit on the email scandal, but not dozens of others.
I’ll leave this with a joke:
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar. Donald leans over, and With A smile on his face, says, “The media are really tearing you apart for That Scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies,
and taking bribes from foreign countries?
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without
the benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it
declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning our backs on Israel?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The joke Iran Nuke deal? ”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 Months
later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware and china when Bill left Office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
How interesting, Daniel. That you leave NO evidence, no facts, nothing to support your assertions, where as I actually delineated many facts and cited sources to support my thesis. Your “joke” is just a sad support of how you have bought into the misogynistic narrative.
I thought, having done the research on Hillary, you’d be familiar with the facts of the matter.
For example, what about Hillary’s enthusiastic support for regime change in Libya and Syria. President Obama himself said her support basically pushed him over the edge on the Lybian bombing campaign.
In effect, Hillary is the single person most responsible for destroying two countries, the refugee crisis, and the current rise of islamic terrorism – AND she has also made USA complicit in the whole thing. How’s that for a massive failure?
Hillary’s attacks on women coming forward about her husband’s sexual escapades, shady contributions from foreign countries to the Clinton foundation right after she signed favorable deals as Sec of State, lying to Congress about Benghazi (now that the documents became public, it’s a matter of public record), etc. Speaking about public record, what about DNC leaks?
But of course, all anti-Hillary bias is simple misogyny and has nothing to do with her extensive, factual record of failure and dishonesty.
Daniel, your cherry picking of facts and acceptance of over-exaggerated myths and memes sadly proves you are more interested in the dominant narrative than the facts of a complicated and dedicated public servant.
What do you mean “cherry picking of facts”?
Hillary’s support for destruction of the single most successful country in Africa is “cherry picking”? Arguing for intervention of the side of catastrophic islamist insurrection in Syria isn’t relevant? The fact that the current Democratic primary was rigged isn’t important?
Pray tell, what else could be more important? Hillary’s debacle of a health reform, which you somehow praise because you think it “paved the way” for Obama (although many say it actually set health reform back by over a decade)? Maybe her Haiti disaster, which someone else has already mentioned here? Disastrous crime bill? Supporting terrorists in Kosovo (ok, that was on Bill, but Hillary is there too)? Being the single most unpopular First Lady in history (and they’re ALL women, so you can’t claim misogyny here)?
Get real. Republicans love Thatcher, for example. They have plenty of their own female icons, especially in 2016. This has nothing to do with Hillary being a woman, and everything to do with her actual record.
Daniel, you cited no sources. And there are none for the claim the primaries were rigged. You have no sources for the critiques of the health care reform package Clinton helped forward. Your claim that her lack of popularity as First Lady (something you also failed to cite stats for) is not based on misogyny is fallacious and spurious because she wasn’t acting like a typical First Lady. I could go on. But you’re wasting everyone’s time with your feelings-based lies. Go research the woman and think about her for once.
What do you mean “there are no sources” for the claim primaries are rigged? How about DNC backing Clinton, revealed through emails? Contacting the mass media to put her message out? Redirecting DNC funds to Clinton campaign?
How would you feel if you found out US gov’t was helping Lockheed Martin get a government contract using the same tactics? You’d call it corruption, which is what it is.
Not to mention the fact that Hillary’s primary results in SOME states differ VERY MUCH from exit polls. Hint: That isn’t supposed to happen. At all. And the only reason it could possibly happen in some states and not others is some form of election fraud.
And I would assume anyone with a pulse would be able to recall that Hillary’s health reform crashed and burned (or at the very least use google). It was criticized by both parties (as well as basically everyone else), subject to several lawsuits, ultimately failed to gain any traction… and was one of the major factors that gave Republicans control of both House and Senate for the first time since 1953.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
I think it’s you that needs to do some research
Daniel, your pathetic joke takes a shotgun approach to everything standing in front of it, whether factual or non-factual, whether of proven guilt or presumptive innocence. You blend fact, fiction, and opinion into a single vilified target, Hillary Clinton. Your verbal aim is like that of an indiscriminate terrorist firing at every possible person crossing his path. And you want to be taken seriously as a man exhibiting no misogyny? You have discredited your claim with your own words. Pray that you never serve on a jury that must separate fact from fiction and prejudicial opinion. Someone could be wrongly executed.
You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of a joke. Try to read this sometime:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
Daniel, you seem to be a very stereotypical white heterosexual man that gets to define what other people are allowed to find humorous. May I invite you to examine your own privilege?
Having done research on charges at Hillary, here are the FACTS about stealing from the White House. Over 8 years, president Clinton received many gifts as all presidents do. Some meant for Clinton’s, some meant to be left at White House. They disclosed all the gifts they thought they were entitled to take with value of items. Turned out, some were deemed gifts for White House, which they returned AND THEN, some were returned back to the Clinton’s after further investigation. I’ve also researched many of the ‘other jokes’ and they are false/twisted.
Daniel Chobshvilli: When you have to resort to jokes and play the clown card to “prove” your claims, you lose all credibility. Parroting and regurgitation of quasi-facts without an ounce of critical thinking and totally devoid of factual evidence is the weapon of choice of arm-chair impressionable political observers. Maybe you can draw us a cartoon on your next post.
Excuse me…you got any facts to back up that poor excuse of a joke?
Love your comments. I can understand who would support Hillary. The only thing possible is the writer got paid for her article.
Mary et al., I can assure you with 100% certainty, I have received NO compensation whatsoever from any human being for this, or any of my articles. My you are quite cynical.
Thank you. It’s all about the “bitch” factor. Strong woman are bitches. We have not moved very far in our systemic beliefs in America. Power is only for the white male and woman still are second class citizens. Woman still have to be soft and never raise there voice and have an opinion. Amazing that Bernie is a white male…yep, we have not moved far. I am a proud Hillary supporter and also a proud bitch!
Hi Marla, thank you for your comment here! I LOVE that you reclaim the work “bitch.” Yes, sadly, we still have a long way to go in abolishing a double standard. Peace, Michael.
Reminds me of the SNL take by Tina Fey in 2007 referring to Hillary: Bitches get things done. Bitch is the new black.
I love it!
Thank you for your comments, I am almost convinced into becoming a Hilary supporter after reading your views. However, as a Haitian American, who felt betrayed by the Clintons on two platforms, the incarceration of black in the 90’s and calling our kids predators, plus the 2010 Haiti’s earthquake money usage, her role on the last election of Haiti and the Gold mine to her brother in the northern part of Haiti, of which you have made no mentions. I am ready to forgive, because there will never be a perfect politician here on earth. However, fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice shame on me.How do you convince, Americans of foreign descent to buy into her role of wrong doing outside of the USA?
Dear Jean Claude, Thank you so very much for sharing your comments here, and for being so vulnerable! I would also like to apologize for this horrific behavior that you have cited here. As with her vote for the Iraq war, which she now regrets, I hope reasoned voices like yours will help her learn, grow, and reflect. Thank you again for your candor here. Peace, Michael.
In other words, she’s great so long as you ignore the parts about her that aren’t great, and if you don’t ignore those parts you’re a Republican, sexist, and you hate liberty.
What a very grotesque oversimplification. Furthermore, it seems as though you refuse to make any space that as a woman she is experiencing a double standard.
So much of what people hold against Hillary are things Bill did in office. Women don’t always follow their spouses blindly. I’m glad that the author of this piece nailed the point I’ve tried to make: she was voted the most admired woman when she was Secretary of State. Every time she runs, she gets hammered.
As for Syria, again, the ultimate responsibility lies with President Obama. We don’t have access to all of the information that they have. But the bottom line is that Hillary was advising Obama. He made the ultimate decision.
Stacey, thank you for commenting here. Sadly, we are seeing first hand how some folk simply cannot make any space to hear anything positive about Hillary. There seems to be an inability by some to hold tension around messiness. Thank you also for pointing out that she did do a remarkable job as Secretary of State. Peace, Michael.
Sanders supported the 1994 crime bill, and so did black leaders. Clinton did not call your kids predators. She spoke of research by a psychologist who coined the term super-predators. Many agreed with this research, which was later found to have shortcomings. She renounced it. What was her “role” in the last election in Haiti? She and Bill Clinton were responsible for much of the aid to Haiti, which has tons of local corruption, so some of the money was misused to help local elites. This is not atypical. The gold mine was given a permit before her brother ever joined the board. She did not get him appointed. Your allegations of her “wrongdoing abroad” sound like standard boilerplate anti-Clinton rhetoric.
“The service part has always come easier than the public part,” because she’s old enough and experienced enough to know, through service, what all of the systemic impediments to service oriented public policy are and that knowledge-base is what make her chary of “the public part,” since there is not only corporate media propaganda but also average people’s strong inclination to hear and see only what they want to hear and see in the public’s issues and that’s especially true when it comes to government policy and program development.
Patrice, thank you for your comments here. Peace, Michael.
Agreed! My husband was a local “public servant” for 25 years. It is amazing how much abuse is heaped upon good people who work hard for the betterment of their communities, and it comes from the public they serve that know little, if anything, of what it actually takes to make and implement public policy. Excrutiatingly difficult at times at the local level, it is mind boggling to think of the complexity at the national level. I can think of no one better prepared than Hillary Clinton. We bitches get shit done!
Thank you for this post. You hit many important points about the way the media have helped sustain and amplify the decades-long propaganda campaign by the right against Hillary Clinton. “Untrustworthy,” “cold and calculating” and “corrupt” were all focus-group tested for efficacy, and then deployed across the whole political and media spectrum. Many social media materials were specifically designed to be passed along by the left to the left. It saddened me to see Bernie’s supporters glom onto the most dishonest talking points in their effort to bring her down, meanwhile claiming their own progressive bona fides, failing to see the misogyny in their own behavior. Even as people have come around to Hillary, the phenomenon has continued with the near-universal assertion that the progressive planks in the platform are only there because of Bernie, even though many of those policies have been part of Hillary’s own views for years. Again, the white male came to the rescue and set the lady straight.
One more point: if the most extreme negatives about Hillary were true, it would mean that all the people who spoke on her behalf at the convention–people who know her best–are all liars. Is President Obama a liar? Is Michelle? ELizabeth Warren? Bernie Sanders? John Lewis? Tim Kaine? Joe Biden? The desire, the need, to vilify this strong, compassionate, hard-working, PROGRESSIVE woman really saddens me. I hope you can convince a few people to step back and have a second look. Thanks.
Eileen, thank you for your comments here. Yes, let us hope this article can spark some introspection and allow people to hold some cognitive dissonance. I also hope it will ask each of us where we are implicated in systems of misogyny, racism, homophobia, and other overlapping oppressions. Thank you again! Peace, Michael.
This defense of Hillary addresses none of my concerns, as a progressive. To start, she has been an uncritical champion of an Israeli state that abuses the human rights of our Palestinian sisters and brothers. And more generally she has a militarist approach to foreign affair that often stands on the wrong side of struggles for human rights outside of the US. This has nothing to do with her being a strong and untelligent woman. Both I like. I just want her to have a better moral compass and a greater commitment to social democracy. Full stop.
Daniel, I think you make some good points, and I hope she will be committed to honoring Palestinian voices. Peace, Michael.
I have to ask how you think Hillary Clinton ” often stands on the wrong side of struggles for human rights outside of the US”? She has been working for women and children particularly her entire career and at the 1995 Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, while Hillary was First Lady, she took on some of the worst offenders of women’s rights and human rights. Her husbands own State Department didn’t want her to go, concerned about how her words would be received in China. But she did it and spoke to the world. Women worldwide love her for her work to benefit families. They- and I- know she has stood for us and fought for us for a very long time.
She has changed some beliefs over the years, as most of us do as we grow as human beings. For instance, I used to think a civil commitment in lieu of marriage was sufficient for members of the LGBT community, but I evolved into realizing that nothing short of allowing marriages between LGBT couples would lead to real equality. A lot of us have evolved and come to realize that truth. That doesn’t make us “flip floppers”, it makes us humans doing what we should- never stopping our learning and growth.
This is how Clinton is dishonest. In her own words.
It is curious how you cherry pick here, Daniel. Nor does the video allow her to complete her thoughts and reflections and address how she has evolved, as many of us do. President Obama was also against same-sex marriage, but he evolved.
As Barney Frank explained on Bill Maher, the other day, no national candidates came out for same-sex marriage. Both Obama and Biden were publicly against it, before they weren’t. But Frank relayed that few people know that Hillary stood up for the same-sex marriage law in MA, and helped the LBGT community fight, when their SS marriage law came under siege.
Dee, thank you for sharing this information here. I hope this puts to rest any claims of homophobia on behalf of HRC. Peace, Michael.
You seem to be a big fan of the term “cherry-pick”. Aside from that, she straight up lied about this whole sniper fire situation in order to make herself look good. It not only shows how self-serving she is, but how she feels no one is intelligent enough to fact-check her. (You seem to be one of those people, in my opinion.) I am not in any way against a woman as president, but electing her because she is a woman isn’t right. The right person, regardless of gender, race, etc should be chosen. Now that Mr. Sanders is seemingly out of the running, I don’t see the right person being in this race at all.
If she is willing to lie about something small several times in order to make it the rhetoric and make herself look good, what kind of President will she be? At that point, will she lie to just us, or will she lie to other nations? Other nations that have the wherewithal to destroy us and only need the slightest provocation to take action. She is not the right person to lead this country. Of course you are going to disagree with me, and that’s well within your rights. But I can’t sit back and have you lie to so many readers about Clinton’s honesty.
Politifact did the same cherry picking. Obama did not evolve he just change his position to get more support from voters.
Brian, your cynicism is duly noted. I will point out again that Politifact has earned the Pulitzer Prize.
I’m gay. I wasn’t for gay marriage when I was younger…I’m 54. I probably didn’t feel yet, as a gay man in that environment, that I deserved it. I selfishly didn’t think others needed to be like “straight” people. To reiterate. I’m gay. People evolve. Mine started by not looking for others to legitimize my worth. I can’t really speak for Hillary.
Here’s what I want to know from ANY politician who has “evolved” on any particular subject:
“What exactly did you experience/realize that caused a change in sentiment? No, I don’t want to hear that you… evolved. I want to know the moment of empathy you experienced where you realized your views were either wrong or outdated.”
Anyone can simply state they’ve evolved. It’s a very simple reason/lie/excuse. Without backing up their evolution with the story of the evolution itself, it can be reduced down to nothing more than changing one’s mind to become politically expedient.
This does not apply to solely HRC, but anyone who claims “I evolved” as a way to justify their changed views, but don’t actually explain why their views changed.
Jason, you bring up a very good point here, and I think it is quite messy. People move along on their respective journeys for myriad reasons. I think it is also quite easy for people to be caught up in a storm of shame when they have changed their minds on issues/policies that hurt people. I wonder if it also important to look at impact v. intent. I’m not wholly certain why President Obama changed his views on marriage equality and and full LGBTQ rights, but he did. Was is it because of personal friends he has? Family? And, ultimately I would offer that regardless, we need to look at the impact of President Obama’s change of heart–his evolution. He is currently the biggest Presidential ally of the LGBTQ community this country has ever had. We now have more protections under his administration than ever before.
Thank you for commenting here. Peace, Michael.
I would love it if that could happen. But demanding this of Mrs. Clinton is unreasonable. That politicians could evolve and explain what made them change is certainly an ideal worth holding. But does any candidate have an opportunity to do that in our polarized political world. Evolution explanations don’t fit into sound bites–or they can easily become unattractive sound bites. Witness John Kerry’s “I voted for it until I voted against it” attempt to explain the complexities of the Iraq war vote, much less his evolved thought about it.
And it’s pretty hard to do. People don’t know history and don’t remember very well. I am trying to remember the world in the year after 9/11 when Geo Bush argued that Saddam Hussein had his hands on weapons of mass destruction and might be whacko enough to use them, so authority was needed to threaten him enough to let inspectors in. Most of us were barely learning who this guy was. But whacko he was. Remember Jeanine Garofalo, a comedian whose career was pretty much tubed by opposing it? Imagine what might happen to a Senator. Even I, pretty confirmed peacenik, felt the drumbeat of it. All the press sent their top reporters. I was in the hospital at the time and could watch nothing else. It was the only thing on the tele 24-7. But I do remember that most of us did not believe that Bush would actually attack Bagdhad until he did. I remember calling my sister saying, “Oh my God. Bush is actually bombing Bagdhad.”
Although Mrs. Clinton has been much criticized for voting for the Bush resolution and her statement later that it was a mistake discounted, only two senators voted against. One happened to be Bernie Sanders. He made a lot of political hay with that in the primaries. But, he comes from a state with a population the size of the City of Seattle, is safely blue, and did not have the smoking remains of the Twin Towers in his backyard and an opposition party President playing political games with reparation funds. Who can fit all that background into a soundbite as others scream “She’s a hawk! She voted for the war in Iraq.” How about Bernie’s staunch defense of the F38, the plane that even the military didn’t want, but was made in his back yard? Doesn’t that make him a hawk? Has he evolved? And Mr. Trump, who is an un-evolved racist and sexist. He won’t need to explain anything I guess.
If you want candidates to explain their evolution, you will probably wait a lifetime.
Great points here, and I would like to think most of us evolve and would make different decisions. I wonder if it would help to look at intent v. impact. If we could focus on the impact, we also make much greater space for evolution of thought.
I would love discussion of intentions too. There are lots of choices, especially in foreign policy, that are somewhere between rocks and hard places, and those that fall prey to Murphy’s law. The land of unintended consequences is large. But I don’t really think examining intentions is possible either in our current political climate. In the olden days, candidates would sit down with David Frost and talk about such things. There is no such venue any more. It’s all about media getting clicks. And Mrs. Clinton is a favorite target.
This article is an excellent summary of the “unstated rules for covering Mrs. Clinton” by a reporter who covers Clinton. http://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules. Note rule number 5.
“5) Everything she does is fake and calculated for maximum political benefit.”
Think about this. It is really a modern version of the old “uppity women” canard. Only a hardened, self-centered bitch would have the gall to run for president, so how can she have any good intentions or care about others? I mean none of us know her personally, so how can we tell?
It’s pretty hard to even state your intentions with that as the unstated press rule for you. I wish she would, actually. But I think she has given up trying. It’s sad. A product of our own cynicism about politicians and governance by sound bite and these sexist press rules for covering Mrs. Clinton. Don’t see that changing any time soon either.
Thank you for a touchingly honest discussion of the self-examination you went through in reevaluating your take on Hillary Clinton. And thank you to so many people for the similarly honest support. I too supported Bernie in the beginning- but felt safe doing so because I knew my state was going to support him anyway. I expected Hillary to become the Democratic candidate and fully intended to vote for her in the election. I admire Bernie a great deal for his dedication to principles and his willingness to get people to think about them. I worried about the emphasis on “Revolution” because I know that often words like that tend to become a flagpole from which everything else hangs. And then Bernie got so caught up in that role that those very important principles started being ignored. No, not by Bernie, but by many people who simply wanted change and weren’t thinking about how change comes about. I watched sadly as many people turned to slamming Hillary no different from Trump supporters, though they seemed not to hear it) and heard Bernie– and the media– pick up the memes. I was relieved when Bernie seemed finally to recognize what was going on and shifted his focus back to the principles, trying to clarify what “revolution” meant to him. The last weeks before the convention were tense, but the convention itself was beautiful. Most of us seem to have found our way out of the contention and joined together. I am gratified by the many Bernie supporters who began to turn away from the negativity and to learn something of the truth about Hillary. She, like us all, is not perfect. She has made mistakes, and she has owned them. Hidden in all the bizarre rhetoric has been the truth about all the things she has done right. She is a remarkable woman, and by far the most qualified candidate in the entire field that presented in the last year and more. I include Bernie in that assessment. I support Bernie’s principles and hope they are implemented. I am glad he ran. He was right: it was the only way to make sure these issues would be taken seriously. I think he did the right thing in staying in the race long enough to ensure the Democratic party would incorporate them into their platform. The Party will be stronger for it. But Hillary is the person who can do the work.
Annie, thank you for your thoughtful comments here. It was nice to read this after some rather ugly unthoughtful comments. I don’t think it is a coincidence that the only negative comments that appear on this threat are all from men. Peace, Michael.
Thank you for this Annie. As I reread posts from August, I am bothered by the attacks on Bernie and the Berniebots. I have received similiar attacks from Hillaryites. We have to give up on attacking each other. When one group tells the other that they are stupid it does nothing for unity or harmony (duh). I truly appreciate your post Annie. Thank you,
Lynn
There are myriad reasons to still not like Hillary Clinton, and her record or so far from spotless it isn’t even funny. Pre-1994 Hillary Clinton may have been everything Democrats say she is, but she’s not. Her complicity in a lot of rather sketchy global events is enough to turn me off forever. She’s corrupt. The DNC is corrupt. The RNC is corrupt. Our entire government is corrupt, and electing another corrupt politician from one of the two most corrupt political parties will not fix the corruption.
Hillary Clinton may have been a truly remarkable progressive woman once upon a time. Now she’s a corporate sellout who has her best interest in mind first, her friends’ second, and yours somewhere down the list. But, please, by all means, let’s ignore all the evidence and get behind her, because that makes so much sense.
You’ve presented no evidence that Hillary Clinton is fundamentally corrupt. Please provide same for our consideration. We’ll wait. And, while you’re at it, please identify–and tell us your plan to elect–politicians who aren’t part of this corrupt two-party system.
Hillary Clinton isn’t perfect. I don’t always agree with her positions, nor do I support every decision she’s made. But the all-too-popular narrative that she is profoundly deceitful and corrupt is, in a word, bullshit.
The system is flawed; it needs a lot of work. The people we elect are flawed; they need to do better. We are flawed; citizens need to be better informed and more engaged. I think the last point is where we should begin.
Rick, you are quite eloquent here! Peace, Michael.
Absoluely! Thanks for the comment.
Thank you for writing this article. It had made me believe that I am holding out how for Hillary for the right reasons. However, can you enlighten me on this Benghazi crap and the email stuff that’s been shoved down or throats by the media? I really don’t understand it. I’m a Bernie fan, trying to swim through all this stuff to find some truth that I can believe in and help me to vote for the right person.
Hi Sheryl, thank you for commenting here. Yes, there are quite a few links embedded in this thread of comments that help to debunk the Benghazi email crap. I would also offer this link about how Trey Gowdy’s attempt at framing HRC: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/18/1434655/-In-response-to-Rep-Cummings-Gowdy-confesses-he-redacted-document and
http://democrats-benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/cia-debunks-gowdy-s-allegation-that-clinton-email-contained-classified-cia Peace, Michael.
There is a history of too much finger pointing versus getting something done.
President Bush is a decent man who made mistakes but not out of any evil intent. No, he did not deliberately plan the terrorist attack on 9/11, so that he could invade Iraq in 2003. He is human with failings, like all of us.
President Obama is a decent man who has made errors but his intent has been to do what is best for the USA and its peoples. He is NOT a Muslim, Kenyan born etc. He is human with failings like the rest of us.
Hillary Clinton is a decent woman who has done her best to serve for years, US families and children, and this country. She is human with failings like the rest of us.
The past Benghazi hearings is a case in point about what I mean, that this finger pointing game is doing real harm. There were many important questions that I, as a concerned citizen, would have liked addressed but were not because out of 9 hearings, the purpose was to collect data that could be used to Clinton and the republicans were successful. And now, we hear the. current refrain about the “lying, crooked Hillary who should be locked up.”
My husband and I are 25 year Hillary fans. Watching what she has gone through and accused of falsely has been agonizing for us. I can only imagine how she must have felt. There is nothing worse than being falsely accused of something. My husband being an attorney has argued in her favor for years. It’s been frustrating to listen to friends and strangers throw unfounded, prejudice lies at her. Thank you for finding the true reason behind it.
Debra, thank you for your comments here. I’m grateful to you and your husband. Let us hope HRC prevails in November. Peace, Michael.
From back in the day she got fired from whitewater for being unethical, and currently Comey saying under oath the truth that happened with the emails (Which is the exact opposite of what Hilary said under oath), not to mention cheated so she could win the democratic primary. But go ahead and paint her as a saint.
Molly, I do not think I’m paining her as a saint, but it sounds like you need this to be very concrete.
Molly, you need to read the whole story, not just the headlines on a right-wing site. What were there? 36,000 emails, 3 questionable ones that may not have been marked correctly? Hillary told the truth. The anti-Hillary propaganda spinners have taken part of the story and used it to sway gullible voters. This really should not have been a story, but the right wing has so little of substance to stand on, they have become bottom feeders.
Fired from Whitewater? Whitewater was a scam that screwed investors, including the Clintons, that the republicans gloomed onto to try and link Bill and Hillary to the guy who ended up in jail over it for bilking investors. It was a smear campaign.
Now, if you misspoke and meant to say Watergate, Hillary served in her legal capacity (basically researcher) until the investigation ended. One bad source with a bug up his butt is the source of the lie she was fired. If she was fired, so was the rest of the investigative legal team, including her direct boss, who has said 1) she wasn’t fired and 2) the guy who said he fired her didn’t have the authority, as he was not in her department/area.
Again, no one knows why the one guy has a hard on for Hillary-maybe she turned him down, maybe she didn’t bring him a cup of coffee when he demanded one thinking her a glorified secretary, maybe some other reason, but only he has ever criticized her competence when working with the Watergate committee.
Now, you conveniently leave out that Comey-a long time Clinton opponent BTW- when quetioned backtracked. 3 emails had markings that could be construed as being classified, though even an expert could have easily missed the small “c” in the body of the text-they were not properly marked- of which 2 were actually not even classified. The third we don’t have info about, but if an expert would miss the classification, I can forgive missing it especially if she was reading it on her phone, as was her habit. So no, she didn’t say the opposite of Comey- she spoke the truth to the best of her knowledge, and no one can do more than that. 3 out of 100,000 or so total e-mails, mismarked. and 2 not even sensitive material. Even just taking it from the deleted and recovered e-mails…that’s .01% error rate. 1/100 of 1%.
Cheating during the primaries is unproven…considering several Bernie operatives registered and voted in New Hampshire using the campaign office as their address. Illegal if they don’t intend to live in NH, which they didn’t.
http://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/sanders-staffers-registered-vote-campaign-office-report
Or perhaps the e-mail sent out to Hillary delegates in NV telling them they didn’t need to show up for the county caucuses?
https://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bernie-sanders-is-trying-to-retroactively-steal-the-nevada-caucus-as-we-speak/24336/
About those DNC e-mails.
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/for-the-last-time-heres-proof-the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged-against-bernie-sanders/
In summary- you’re either a troll trying to split the left, or you’ve been misinformed.
TPP. Crime bill. Super-predators. Libya. Arms deals for foundation donors. Open bribes from Wall Street (there is nothing anyone can say in a speech that’s worth $225K). Political positions du jour, depending on popularity and who’s offering the most money. Even if the email server was really no big deal (which I don’t buy), lying about it was.
George Bush has been paid $15 million in speaker fees since he left office.
It’s not just Hillary. Every strong woman has faced the hatred, fear and misogyny that accompanies demands for respect.
The relentless hounding and anger if we insist on being traded like adult citizens.
The gaslighting as we fight to be heard and seen.
Too many of us have fallen exhausted by the daily struggle to be seen as people. Too many women have laid aside their hopes, crushed under the weight of misogyny.
How many of you could handle the unrelenting hatred American women face daily? How many could shoulder Hillary’s burdens?
Robyn, Yes, you make excellent points here. I would also add how the anger, fear, and hate are typically exacerbated for women of color, queer women, and the intersections therein. Peace, Michael.
Robyn, exactly! Beautifully written. And today she has pneumonia and critics are challenging her health! Who wouldn’t get sick after all she has done during this campaign? She is human and a very strong and reliable human at that. I could never do what Hillary is doing. May she get a little rest and come back renewed.
Before Bernie entered the fray, I thought that Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren would make a great Pres-VP combination, and I didn’t particularly care wich of the two had which job. I supported Bernie in the primaries because his message really resonated with me. But a lot has happened since then. The Democratic Party has incorporated most of Bernie’s key points into their 2016 platform. I now realize we need Hillary on the White House, and we need to keep Bernie and Elizabeth in Congress, to carry out these goals. It is achieving the goals, not who carries out these goals, that matters. Ti use an analogy, winning a football game matters more than which quarterback gets your team to that win. In fact, it takes the whole team working together, not just the quarterback, to get to that win. Locally (Sacramento area), we have Ami Bera and Doris Matsui in Congress to help get us there, and with Bernie and Elizabeth and Hillary and all the other greats on our team (including experienced elder statesmen like Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, Jimmy Carter), all working together, we will succeed.
Ed, thank you for your comments here. Thank you also for being able to hold tension around people’s flaws and foibles. You underscore nicely that it helps to look at the larger picture. Peace, Michael.
Ed, thank you for your voice of reason, positivity and hope!
Hello, I followed this link off facebook and I’m so very glad I did. I’m a 57 year old woman, a life long Democrat, a proud long time supporter of Hillary, and a woman who is disabled after being shot by a domestic abuser.
I can not tell y’all how much these posts and these comments mean to me. I live in Alabama (oh how I’d LOVE to move to a more progressive state) and all I hear is horrible talk about her. How wonderful Trump is. No one here seems to understand what he’ll mean to our country, all they hear is the words “radical Islam” come out of his mouth as if saying the words will solve the problem.
I’m so glad y’all see her as I’ve always seen her, a wonderful intelligent caring woman who always tries her best.
I am terrified of a Trump presidency. Not just for what he’ll do to our country, but also what he’ll do to people like me who are so dependent on the benefits we paid for. I worked from 16-42 years old when the bullet in my nervous system began to cause too much pain to go on. I tried. I didn’t leave work because I wanted to be a drain on society, I had worked there for 15 years! I loved my job.
Trump agrees with Paul Ryan that Social Security and Medicare should be privatized and go to a voucher system. That would be a nightmare for people like me!
Thank you all so much!
Katherine, thank you so very much for sharing a part of your narrative here! I feel quite honored. I hope this article will spark meaningful conversations that allow us to unpack why we accept negative narratives but at the same time reward sociopathic narratives like Donald Trump’s. Peace to you, Michael.
Katherine, thank you for that. I’m a 74 year old woman born into a family of 1/2 Dems and 1/2 Repubs. I’m old enough to remember the fight for equal rights for women–which is still not complete–and I have followed Hillary’s career with admiration. Those who are used to the bang-bang media, the spot ad, the put-down and the uglies will, unfortunately, never want to know the Truth of the press hounding she has put up with. I hope those who think and feel will put their feet in motion in November and elect Hillary
My continuing issue with her has nothing to do with her gender. The e-mails were the symptom of the problem. She wasn’t just handed a high security clearance by the government. There is an exhaustive review of your life prior to getting it. I doubt she was given a pass just because she was a senator prior (it might have made it go faster). She took an oath and signed agreements dealing with the handling of classified material. These documents very clearly laid out the consequences for mishandling material, be it an e-mail, documentation, or speaking about classified material. I had that type of clearance and to this day (18 years after giving it up) I still respect the agreement I made with the government. It has to do with the safety of this country.
Every 5 years a person with a clearance has to undergo review to maintain that clearance. It means the men in black talk to your neighbors, your friends, dig through your trash, violate any sense of privacy you might think you have; because you signed a form giving them the right in exchange for handling the most sensitive information in the country. Hillary was SoS for 4 years, then stepped down, relinquishing her clearance before her 5 year update. If she had kept that clearance, her update would have uncovered the issues. That is not to say she still wouldn’t have weaseled her way out of being punished, just it would have come about differently and the government group that does those investigations is a little more ‘hard-core’ than the FBI about violations. So…she did some good things in her early career (not as extensive as Bill laid out in his white-washed speech about their ‘great’ love), she’s been an advocate for children. It doesn’t excuse the violations or her arrogance in repeatedly lying to the public about it. I might not be so adamant if she had come out and said, “I screwed up, and I should face the consequences.” But she took the line of, “I didn’t do anything wrong, I didn’t lie, and I didn’t try to put myself above the law.” I have no respect for anyone who pulls that shit. And her whole, “do you mean wipe it with a cloth?” Was demeaning and insulting to women. That pissed me off! How dare she say she is advancing the role of women in the world and then play the ‘stupid blonde’ card! She is inconsistent and insincere.
If I may, I would like to point out that the three emails you refer to were actually not properly classified. In fact, Republican FBI Director James Comey admitted to this during his testimony: http://www.mediaite.com/online/fbi-director-admits-hillary-clinton-emails-were-not-properly-marked-classified/
Also, the State Department issued a release stating that two of those emails had not actually been classified.
So, she did not lie: to the best of her knowledge, she had neither sent nor received any classified information on her e-mail. This statement is true when these facts are taken into consideration.
The smoke was the e-mails. The fire is violating her clearance. Having the server and using it for anything that might be classified: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/
She violated her clearance. People see all the folderol about the emails and miss the bigger picture. She was an employee of the US government and like any other employee of the government or contractor to the government who deals with classified materials, there is a legal way and an illegal way to handle it. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
If you know anyone who works for an aerospace/defense company; ask them about having a clearance and how they feel about what she is getting away with. Many people with clearances have lost their jobs, their freedom and their reputations for doing less than what she did.
Thank you for sharing the links! Sadly, we do not ask anything about the emails for George W. Peace, Michael.
I love the article, but the headline and phrase, “How very dare you,” is extremely awkward, very odd, and does not work. Is this some colloquialism I have not heard of? Other friends of mine have said the same thing. “How very daring of you,” would be grammatically correct. The alternative is “How do you dare?” You would not write, “How do you very dare.” “Dare,” here, is a verb. You must modify verbs with adverbs –not adjectives like “very.” Other than this, great piece!!
Dee, it is meant to be ironic and to pull in readers that are against Hillary.
Apologies, Michael, but while the title accomplished that goal, the article itself did not. I’m a Bernie supporter who lives in a non-swing state and will (still) be voting for Jill Stein in the fall.
I often wonder why responses like this article are so extreme. I don’t think Hillary is a bad person. I just don’t think she shares my values (this week! who knows what she’ll change to next week).
I appreciate your dedication, but between the strawmen in your article, and the fact that you’ve written from a place of emotion, and yet have demanded facts in these responses, I’m incredibly turned off to your main point.Maybe it’s the circles you run in, or the people you talk to, but there are quite a few valid criticisms against HRC that don’t involve misogyny and blind hate.
Actually, I did supply facts and also links. I must say you are not a very generous person, as it appears here at least on this thread. I have created no “strawmen” and given that you don’t know me or the people I am friends with, you certainly feel quite free to JUDGE. Please do support Jill Stein, as this is a vote for Trump, and you should know that Stein is anti-immunization.
Wow! You sure seem offended by my words! Please point to where I “judged” you. I “judged” your writing by your use of anecdotal evidence as gospel, but that’s about it.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t consider an editorial by a media personality to be a “fact,” and I’m reasonably certain that “When I try to ask people for specific examples of why they “hate” Hillary, or how has she been dishonest, all I get is “everyone knows she is,” or “that’s just the way I feel.” ” is a straw man argument. But hey, it’s your blog, and you’ve got every right to write what you like.
Where we don’t agree, however, is your assertion that “a vote for Stein is a vote for Drumpf.” Would you care to explain this thinking? Because I have to tell you, in a representative democracy that uses the electoral college, it makes zero sense.
I hear this argument from HRC supporters quite a bit: “a third party vote is a vote for Drumpf.” Aside from being demonstrably untrue, all it does is try and shift the potential blame from the candidate to the voter. It serves no purpose, and it’s harmful to our democracy to repeat this lie.
I see. Well, that’s very dare of you! I am not sure it gets your point across, but if you have more hits than usual (and only you know this), then I guess the ploy was a success.
Dee, I am grateful that it does seem to be starting many conversations. Thank you again for reading the blog and for your comments. Peace, Michael.
A truly beautiful and truthful piece. If you have not read this article (https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-wants-to-talk-to-you-about-love-and-kindness), I truly recommend it as it is wonderful. Also, if you are interested in learning more about how she became so nuanced and (in some cases) extremely private about her life, I recommend her book Living History – a perfect rebuke to all the “scandals” people say she committed. And, Hard Choices takes an in-depth look at her thought process as Secretary of State. Keep writing and speaking out. With much love and kindness, Anthony.
Anthony, thank you for the link and the book recommendation. Thank you for commenting here. Peace, Michael.
Thank you for this post…this was forwarded to me by a long time woman friend. a friend who I differ with politically but respect her point of view. Your post says to me “defending Hillary from the he said she said of American politics”…more specifically the antics of Democrats and Republicans. Which really will have very little effect on my decision because someone will come along and contradict what you have to say and the programming loop continues.
I have been asking my women friends what having a woman as president would mean to them personally, to the country, to the world. I am not looking for resumes…I can find resumes and I am sure there will be someone to discredit the resume (it is what we have come to expect from our politics and heaven forbid they not give us what we expect). In simple language — I want to be inspired. This election could be the change in our political game that I have been waiting for.
I saw a clip the other day that was eliminated from the Convention because of time constraints from the DNC. It was narrated by Chelsea and it explained the women in Hillary’s family. That meant something to me, that said what inspired Hillary. A friend of mine this morning recited Hillary’s resume and the added that she was a good mother-that point meant something because on top of everything Hillary has been through, I believe she has been a good mother.
Many of the women I’ve asked simply want a democrat in the White House and I understand that in our political environment. But I can find a resume myself and there are party loyalist on every street corner. I want heart and soul IDEALISTIC reasoning. I want to hear their inspiration. I want the women that I know, the women of the country, and the world to grab me and tell me of their dreams. I want to know that when the government gets bogged down with the usual used bull food, how having a woman as president is going to keep the women of the world going.
The only candidate I’ve eliminated is Trump who I swear is trying to lose…(I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and I still like her)
We have three months to go until election day and to be honest I won’t make up my mind until I have the ballot in my hand.
Thank you for your comments here. I do wonder if you hold men as accountable for “inspiration” as you do women, specifically Hillary? I also thank you for keeping an open mind and keeping space that all women in the United States do face a double standard and do face everyday some form of misogyny. Peace, Michael.
I would like for any supporter of Jill Stein to explain how she is qualified to be President of the United States, Commander in Chief and the leader of the free world. Any explanation at all is welcome.
All of your arguments are the same ones I have been making to my son and grandson. It’s so hard to see the innate biases in our culture towards strong women with an opinion of their own. I hope her presidency helps make a dent in this. Moat people do not know what my soon is. Please use the word discrimination. People understand that.
Karen, good for you! I’m so glad you are sharing with your sons how women have to navigate differently. Let us hope all of us can reflect and look at ways of supporting all targeted communities. Peace, Michael.
Thanks, Michael.
You hint at something else important: As you say, when challenged on assertions about Hillary’s purported dishonesty many people can’t support their assertions, but say, “I just feel that way.”
Hillary’s fact-based record of truth and service and accomplishment in many, many areas is compelling. Trump’s, clearly, is not. What he does have that Hillary does not is an ability to stir up very strong emotions that benefit his narrative.
I really hope that Democratic emotion-stirrers like the Obamas will continue to help Hillary’s campaign with this, as they did at the DNC. Facts and honesty only go so far, as we learned with Al Gore.
How this relates to your main point, systemic and systematic misogyny: Hillary, lacking that crucial Y chromosome, is not ALLOWED to show or stir up the kind of emotions Trump does daily (or hourly, or minute-by-minute). The Democrats need to use some emotion to win; Hillary may have to do some of that work by proxy.
I really loathe the sexism of the 2016 election season! But thanks for this post.
Martha, thank you for commenting here! You do a marvelous job of pointing out the double standard of how Trump is allowed to show emotion, but we vilify Hillary for showing too much or not enough emotion. I, too, loathe the sexism of this rather nasty election year. Peace, Michael.
This is a massively important commentary you’ve posted here. It’s been obvious to me for a long time that she is a victim of systemic and systematic misogyny, and it’s amazing to me that she’s had the strength to plow through it all and make it this far. That strength is a mighty good trait for a President to have. I’m thrilled that she has broken through the next-to-last glass ceiling, and I fervently hope that she will smash the ultimate one in November.
John, thank you for commenting here! Yes, great observation! The fact that she has been able to persevere through such garbage and hate demonstrates her ability and talent to navigate the Presidency. Peace, Michael.
One extra point which seems to have gotten lost: The government server that HRC would have used, had she followed governmental guidelines was ALSO NOT SECURE. As a matter of fact, I do wonder if the Government server has been checked for hacking.
Now that we know that DNC computers were hacked by Russians to hurt HRC election chances, she may have been better off using her own private server.
I really enjoyed this. Very eye-opening. I haven’t always supported Hillary — I was a Bernie supporter — but the writing is on the wall. Once I could get past all the lies, I realized that she is like most women I know; we are doers. We work hard for success and satisfaction. Most importantly, we get the job done even if it means long days and nights, making sacrifices, living on coffee and peanut butter crackers. There is no room for complaining or whining, there are no shortcuts. Go, Hillary!
Thank you for your comments here, Natalie, There is clearly a great deal of work to do around eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia, and all other forms of oppression. Peace, Michael.
Michael,
Thank you for posting this! I have been trying to explain to my family and friends that my gut instinct was the “Hillary can’t be trusted” narrative was a myth fabricated by the media for some time now. But your article has provided the timeframe and substantive facts that I didn’t have. Excellent job of reporting accuracy!
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AmericanWolf, thank you for your comments here! I certainly hope this article will help your family and friends unpack the harmful false narrative of HRC. Peace to you, Michael.
Thank you so much for this article. It sums up the situation beautifully, succinctly, and accurately. It’s my go to source for feeding my own rebuttals to the naysayers. I’m a true believer in Hillary and have been for years and years, even while I was supporting Obama in ’08 and ’12. I’m reposting it and sharing this as far and wide as I possibly can and in the meantime, studying it so that it becomes part of my own rhetoric.
Nancy, thank you for commenting here. Thank you also for sharing this with your network! Peace, Michael.
Thank you Michael.
Thank you for reading and commenting, Jude. Peace, Michael.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/james-rogers-bush/demagogue/988628711193465
Thank you for your insightful article le on the double standard for women running for office or trying to move up the ladder. Just like the subtle rasicism since a black man was elected President and resides in the White House, misogyny runs rampant for women.
Sadly, the racism and misogyny seem rather intense. I hope we all find a way to come together. Peace, Michael.
I wish I could share this but the title is so awful and grammatically incorrect that I just can’t. Hillary haters will mock that and ignore the story.
Kathy, the title is ironic and it is also a colloquialism.
This is an excellent comment with one important exception, the racism shown since President Obama’s election has been anything but subtle.
Sadly, you are absolutely right. The racism has been blatant and disgusting!
On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, I listened to Hilary’s acceptance speech on NPR. When David Brook’s first comment focused solely on the delivery and not on the content of the speech, I was so disappointed that I immediately turned the commentary off. David said that Hilary’s delivery lacked emotion, and he gave the speech a B or B+ grade, calling it just average. Before the speech, he talked about her voice and hoped it would be less loud and more expressive. I thought… Who would say these things about a man? I also thought… David Brooks, you’ve known Hilary Clinton for decades. What makes you think she would present the idealized version of Hilary you want to see at this late hour? David sounded disappointed himself, a bit like Eeyore. So I thought… Get with the program!
Thanks so much for your contribution to this subject!
As women, we need our male allies to stand up and speak. Thank you for doing so. I hope you don’t lose your Y chromosome card over it 😉
Thank you, Maddy! There is great power when we unite! Peace, Michael.
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Mavadelo, thank you for reblogging this article! Peace, Michael.
While I strongly dislike her , I will vote for her as the lesser ( just barely ) of two evils. And I have numerous reasons for my dislike of her , one of which is her lack of achieving much of any real consequence in 25 years in politics . Her reputation of being dishonest is a direct result of her personal history dating back to her days in Arkansas . Perhaps you’re to young to have heard about it or have a short memory . But she has a lifetime of dishonest , questionable actions . Read her history it’s quite enlightening .
here are some facts about what she has accomplished:
American foreign policy was stronger when Hillary Clinton left the State Department than when she arrived. She took the reins from a Bush administration that had left America’s reputation deeply damaged and planted the seeds for the foreign policy successes we see today. From the agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, to the landmark normalization of relations with Cuba, nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.
Her accomplishments extend to health care, as well. As First Lady, she helped create and guide through Congress Children’s Health Insurance Program, a key program that brought health care coverage to millions of children. As a Senator, she worked across the aisle to provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.
Secretary Clinton was also an outspoken champion for women around the world. She set records for travel while leading the State Department and used every trip to empower the women of the 112 countries she visited. She made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy. And she created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues, a post charged with integrating gender throughout the State Department.
Some facts about Hillary accomplishments:
American foreign policy was stronger when Hillary Clinton left the State Department than when she arrived. She took the reins from a Bush administration that had left America’s reputation deeply damaged and planted the seeds for the foreign policy successes we see today. From the agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, to the landmark normalization of relations with Cuba, nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.
Her accomplishments extend to health care, as well. As First Lady, she helped create and guide through Congress Children’s Health Insurance Program, a key program that brought health care coverage to millions of children. As a Senator, she worked across the aisle to provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.
Secretary Clinton was also an outspoken champion for women around the world. She set records for travel while leading the State Department and used every trip to empower the women of the 112 countries she visited. She made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy. And she created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues, a post charged with integrating gender throughout the State Department.
Thank you, Francesca! Peace, Michael.
Evidence? Other than “we all know so”? Oh, and by the way, I *am* old enough to have followed her career since Arkansas.
Please, as Michael said, be specific. I’d like to quote President Obama when he said that she’s more qualified to be President than either he or Bill Clinton were, and had achieved more in the space of public service by age 30 than most people do in a lifetime.
Oh, dear, could you give me some cites on that? I have met those people from Arkansas and there are a lot of them, who get on buses and planes, and at their own expense, travel all over the country campaigning for her. Dishonest? Questionable actions? Have you read this article? Or do old habits die hard? Innuendo is exactly what the right and the misogynists depend on – and there quite a few women who are misogynists – and maybe that is the on going problem. We seem to have a problem with women who don’t “know their place.” Hillary Clinton is one of the most compassionate, bright, caring, intelligent women I have had the pleasure of meeting. And she does something just about every man alive wouldn’t be caught doing – she listens.
Her history according to who???
I think the author made it clear he did his homework on her history. THAT is what the whole article was about!
“Lack of achieving any real consequence”? Really? WTF???
her accomplishments:
•First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College.
•President of the Wellesley Young Republicans
•Intern at the House Republican Conference
•Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School
•Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action
•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale’s Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children’s Defense Fund
•Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•Former civil litigation attorney.
•Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
•twice listed by The National Law Journal as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
•Former First Lady of Arkansas.
•Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983
•Chair of the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession
•twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America
•created Arkansas’s Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas’s education system
•Board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree
•Traveled to 79 countries during time as FLOTUS
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Served on five Senate committees:
-Committee on Budget (2001–2002)
-Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009)
-Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009)
-Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)
-Special Committee on Aging.
•Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site’s redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
•First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate (and re-elected)
•Two-term New York Senator
-(senate stats here: https://www.govtrack.us/…)
-(voting record here: http://votesmart.org/…)
•Former US Secretary of State
•GRAMMY Award Winner
•Author
What the hell have YOU accomplished?
her accomplishments:
•First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College.
•President of the Wellesley Young Republicans
•Intern at the House Republican Conference
•Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School
•Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action
•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale’s Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children’s Defense Fund
•Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•Former civil litigation attorney.
•Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
•twice listed by The National Law Journal as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
•Former First Lady of Arkansas.
•Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983
•Chair of the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession
•twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America
•created Arkansas’s Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas’s education system
•Board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree
•Traveled to 79 countries during time as FLOTUS
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Served on five Senate committees:
-Committee on Budget (2001–2002)
-Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009)
-Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009)
-Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)
-Special Committee on Aging.
•Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site’s redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
•First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate (and re-elected)
•Two-term New York Senator
-(senate stats here: https://www.govtrack.us/…)
-(voting record here: http://votesmart.org/…)
•Former US Secretary of State
•GRAMMY Award Winner
•Author
Evidence? Successful prosecutions? Questionable actions? Who wrote the history? What was their motivation? Weak thinking by trotting out the very mantras this article correctly railed against.
…and where does your supporting info come from? Fox News?
Did you read the article? His point is that the systematic criticism and lies about Hillary which began in her days in Arkansas because she did “know her place” is what women like you have bought into. I am not too young and embrace the fact that I am old enough to have watched what has happened to her just because she was persistent, smart, thoughtful, and yes HONEST. Owning her mistakes but not letting them stop her. Learning from her mistakes and charting a new direction. Achieving healthcare for kids, standing up for women around the world and helping to make the world a safer place. The “history” you refer to is the story they want you to believe, not her story as a woman.
her history? I don’t think you have read her history. Done nothing? lifetime of dishonesty? Please, she has worked tirelessly for children, for health care. Actually, first I think you need to really look into what she has done and stop watching the ridiculous news shows ( and I say that tongue in cheek) for a while.
Can you give some examples of her more egregious lies, Therese?
I’m really tired of being accused of sexism, when my concerns about Hilary
Clinton are based on her past actions and current stated policies. Let me start by saying I will vote for her – very reluctantly – because she is better than Trump.
But her attempt at health care reform in the 1990’s was so badly handled that it no one dared touch it again for 30 years. The best we have been able to get since (and I agree its not nothing) is the ACA – which is a boon to the insurance companies who get mandatory buying of polices with large deductibles and co-insurance at outrageous rates. And HRC when asked about universal health care/single payer simply states: “won’t happen”.
Her neocon approach to foreign policy has brought us bombings, drones, and continued meddling in and overthrowing governments of multiple countries – the effects of which are less not more security for the US and most of the world. She considers Henry Kissinger an honored mentor.
She used the office of Secretary of State to promote fracking (and the interests of our big oil companies) across eastern Europe. Climate change does not seem to be a priority for her – maybe I’m wrong on that one – I hope so.
And she is a supporter of our current Wall Street driven economic system. Glass-Steagall was gutted under the Clintons’ watch – and we’ve seen the results of that as the large financial institutions bet our savings for their gain. She has been a supporter of “free trade” policies that allow large corporations to overturn environmental and labor laws based on “potential loss of income” and treat labor like throw away assets in the race to the bottom for the lowest wages.
Yes, there are sexists out there that hold her to a different standard than powerful men, or who would never vote for a woman for high office. But there are many of us who hold her and all other politicians to the same standard – one of progressive policies that help the many and not the rich few, and seek to protect the environment of this planet for the benefit of all – and by that standard she fails badly.
And you can tell us that we have the “most progressive Democratic platform ever” – which is untrue (those in the FDR years were better) and irrelevant since there is nothing that would require her to implement that platform once elected.
Since those are all Bernie talking points, maybe you’ll take Bernie’s word for it:
https://berniesanders.com/democrats-adopt-progressive-platform-party-history/
Wow, just wow. First of all HILLARY Clinton is running NOT Bill Clinton. And then after that – my, my, my, my – I guess a person can’t talk to anyone who doesn’t pass the neo-lib “purity” test….Henry Kissinger – well, he knows a lot and that doesn’t mean one follows his advice – but one can learn a lot by listening – a new and novel idea, I know. As for fracking – so – she has grown on that point, and you have not – and as for the rest of your answer – it is hackneyed, old, and tiresome – and I bet I have been reading it since 2015 – when all of the neo-libs made up their mind that purity trumped governing – and with that kind of an attitude – it just may be trumped.
Cynthia, you giving powers to the Secretary of State that don’t:t go with the office. The use of Drones bombing etc are up to the President,the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefsx of staff. As is whether or not we enterninto fighting. Yes, she argued that the over throw of Kadafe would be beneficial. However, it was others that made the decision to go ahead. President Obama says that yes, they made tjemistake of not planning where to go after the overthrow was complete. Again, Secretary Clinton would not have been in on that. As it’s not in the pet view of her position. You also simplify the situation in the Middle East. It is far more complicated than you think. The problems date back to the 1940s. We have been trying to fix what was started then and yes, we have been screwing it up ever since. This problem is hardly Hillary’s doing. (You should know that until recently, I too had fallen for the rhetoric as well. I changed my mind when I started to do my own research. I found that Hillary was actually basically a good person. No, she isn’t perfect. None of us are. Hillary has spent her adult life in service to others. I find that admirable. I will gladly cast my vote for her.).
Is ACA worse that what Trump has proposed? Which is to scratch all ACA.
Cynthia, how did we gain 20 more years? Either you are on an entirely different time line which make my time frames in my books look like nothing, or you are posting somebody else’s mistakes. I’d check that if I were you. Might want to read the rest while you are at it.
Actually, you did what I suspect we all did, read Theresa Jensons challenge of what she has done worth mentioning and went looking for the article we had saved already as our reminders, or digging through the search engines to answer that question.
May be we all could use a good research of one or two of these facts posted in all of the links here. I will take Arkansas, but I suggest somebody unbiased and better on engines than me to be double checking.
Cynthia, I *am* thirty. As far as I know, I was born in 1986, well before the Clintons moved into the White House. What’s more, they moved there in 1992, so it’s actually only eighteen years until someone managed to pass health care reform for more than children (CHIP did happen in the mid-nineties). If we account for CHIP, the number drops to about fourteen years, depending on time between passage and implementation.
No, when I was born, we were still scrambling in the dark to find viable drugs for dying AIDS patients.
As to the conflict around single-payer insurance: it may not be feasible at this time, in this country, especially with this Congress. If you want it to happen, look downticket and pick representatives and senators who feel as you do. It is not for POTUS to handwave a single-payer system into being. Further, when you speak of the concept, you must bear in mind that different nations have demonstrate different ways to do it. Which way forward is best for the government and the people we have? I’ve known people in three different countries (not from, in) who could tell you vastly different stories about how things are done. If the research hasn’t been done yet, needless to say you’re looking at a bit of a wait.
Until you are attacked by the Republican propaganda machine you cannot imagine what it is like, she has been subjected to it for decades and still, she is willing to serve. I was a State Senator, and in 2010 four colleagues and I were targeted by a national Republican group for defeat, we all lost. When it was over, I moved out of the country, I couldn’t live in my hometown anymore. My big negatives? I had voted for gay marriage and people were upset about an influx of refugees so they went after illegal immigrants, which State governments have no jurisdiction over and Maine has very few of. The anti immigrant attack brought out all the racism which had been invisible to me, the vile hatred I heard on the campaign trail left me devastated, I had no idea that my community was so bigoted, I felt like I had PTSD. It was a ten day attack, daily mail, statewide TV, radio and newspapers, ten days. I cannot imagine how Hillary Clinton is still standing, let alone running for office after more than 25 years of unrelenting lies and negative propaganda. As to her lack of accomplishment, I give you SCHIP, covering healthcare for 8 million children. As a mother, whose son lost his health insurance when we escaped from his abusive father, I don’t know what would’ve happened to my child when he needed to be hospitalized for an infection in his leg without SCHIP, I am eternally grateful. You see, when the entrenched interests of Wall Street insurance companies and the healthcare industry stopped healthcare reform, she didn’t give up, she carried on fighting for children. Your story, about how it is her fault that cowardly politicians didn’t want to confront healthcare’s powerful special interests is doesn’t ring true to me, I think
they were just unwilling to risk failure and losing their jobs.
As to the hawk label, her voting record and performance diverges from BS only once, that was a mistake, trusting a liar. We should not lose sight that the responsibility for the Iraq war belongs firmly on top of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell, they were the ones that lied to us, not Congress which was told they were voting for leverage to get weapons inspectors into Iraq….
Deb, thank you for sharing a part of your own narrative here. Your comments help to explain a great deal of pain experienced by you and I suspect also experienced by HRC. Peace, Michael.
Pretty much
You are correct in all points.
splashy, thank you for reading the article and for commenting here! Peace, Michael.
Her marriage is relevant how?
Sharing!
Thank you for sharing this, MP. Peace, Michael.
Michael – I Michael Arnovitz’s article before yours. His makes sense and so does yours. I also read his article about what to do for people you know who hate HRC for all the above reasons. His conclusion: there is nothing you can do. They have chosen to stay in their bubble and look only for confirmation of what they believe. There is no room for facts. I have long believed that women who seek power are disparaged for daring to do so. The double-standard apparent in just the words that describe a woman vs. a man seeking power is obvious to anyone who takes the time to look. And it saddens me. But I’m with her!
Margie, thank you so much for commenting here.As you can see from this thread of comments, you and Arnovitz seem to be correct. There certainly seems to be a population that will not create any space to unpack some significant irrational antipathy for HRC rooted in misogyny. I am trying to keep optimistic, and your comment here along with many others are helping me keep some faith in humanity. Peace, Michael.
You are right, and your words make it glaringly apparent that I am on the same path. I have been a Democrat only since 2012, so I still have old GOP indoctrination when it comes to Hillary. Let me say, now, that I HAD it. Hillary must win, not just to keep DJT out. She must win for the betterment of us all, to keep is on a progressive track, and to demonstrate that the entitled white man (my version of how you described them) must grow up and treat all people with empathy, respect, integrity, and dignity. It can only be returned to them. “Let go of what you fear to lose – Master Jedi Yoda.
Julie, kudos to you, for I suspect it has to be difficult to cast of the shackles of the GOP indoctrination. We are certainly stronger united in our differences! Peace, Michael.
Great read. Being Canadian, I’ve never really been interested in US politics until now – this year I’m enthralled. I totally get why many feel that Mr. Trump is a bigoted, self-centered, egotistical sociopath who is completely unqualified for the POTUS job. But I could not understand why many also “hated” Ms. Clinton so much. Propaganda has such an influence on the general populace it’s astounding. If we had more thinkers out there, very few would be taking the GOP seriously right now, and this election would be a total landslide.
Jay, thank you for commenting here! I suspect if the unthinkable should happen in this election, many of us will seek asylum in your lovely country! 🙂 Peace, Michael.
You’ll also be welcome in Australia. Except guns. Don’t bring your guns 😉
Propaganda is the chaff of the masses used politically, religiously and (obviously) commercially. Read any Orwell, or The Fountainhead.
Rob, thank you!!! I hope none of us have to take you up on the invitation to seek asylum. 🙂 Peace, Michael.
I’m Canadian too and have been puzzled at the hatred shown to such a good and determined woman, I’ve been reading testimonials from people she helped and am mightily impressed at the lengths she went to for them. Hillary will try and that’s what matters, she’ll do her best, she’ll learn and she’ll get some good things done. I’m looking forward to her Presidency.
Sue, I, too, am looking forward to her presidency. Otherwise, my husband and I have to move in with you! 🙂
You have to be joshing. God woman. I do not think so.
To Daniel Chobshvilli and everyone obsessed with election fraud and “stolen” or “rigged” primaries:
Please do not rely on conspiracy theorists and lousy statisticians to prove your claims. TDMS Research, ElectionFraud2016, the so-called “Stanford Study” and the Brooklyn lawsuit are a closed system of a very few people propping up each others’ paranoia. There is NO evidence of any wrongdoing.
This excellent piece from the NY Times (not known for being fond of the Clintons, by the way) thoroughly demolishes these claims.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/upshot/exit-polls-and-why-the-primary-was-not-stolen-from-bernie-sanders.html
PS – Exit polls are notoriously awful and unreliable.
PPS – If you want to rig a contest, a caucus is a much safer bet. Interesting how many caucuses Clinton lost…
Thank you Penguin for commenting here. Thank you for supplying more resources that help debunk the whole “stolen” or “rigged” primary mishigas! Peace, Michael.
I have read this piece before.
It provides justification for some of the bias, but still doesn’t explain the size of it (the differences that we’ve seen before were much smaller), nor, more importantly, the huge state-to-state variation. Polls were done using the same methodology, so what gives?
Are we really supposed to believe Democratic voters, especially those in very similar states, can answer the polls in widely different ways? Seems more likely that the difference isn’t in the voter populations, but rather in who counted the votes.
Hillary Clinton is a Scorpio. If that is meaningless to you- go look it up. Donald Trump is a self-centered- self-possessed- privileged 2-person schizo Gemini that thinks he has a good brain so he talks to himself. Sorry. Ms Clinton- in our utterly sexist society is bringing that sexism to the surface just by existing- as Obama has brought racism to the surface just by existing. It’s truly pathetic. Your vote for the Dumpster will end the world as we know it.
While I must confess great ignorance to zodiac signs, your comments about race and gender in the US are spot on–sadly so! I do hope we can come together and realize the great power and strength in our differences. J. Bruce, thank you for your comments here. Peace, Michael.
I already am on board about supporting Hillary Clinton. For the last couple of days, I have been upset about her being tagged as a liar for her consistent statement that she never sent or received emails marked classified in real time via her private server. Remember that both her private server and the government’s were not secure.
I watched the entire hearing in early July between FBI Director Mr. Comey and the US congress. At the beginning of the hearing he stated that 3 of her emails were marked classified but later on, he did clarify that the 3 emails out of 30,000 plus were not marked classified correctly and clearly and that he could see how she would miss the letter “C” in the body of the documents.
I had actually emailed news outlets like the Washington Post that they were unfairly awarding her 4 Pinocchio’s. I now have my answer. It seems that Mrs. Clinton embellished a bit during her FOXTV Sunday interview with Chris Wallace, which I did not watch. It seems that she explicitly stated that the FBI Director Mr.Comey declared that she had been telling the truth about her email handling which of course, never occurred. Now the question is, who is parsing words.
Gronda, like you, I hope we are all taking action to see Hillary succeed. Thank you again for all of your good energy. Peace, Michael.
For me the big take way from the server investigation was that our whole system wasn’t terribly secure. There should be people in place to secure all servers that will be used for government e-mail whether it’s a home server like that or not. Since there were a lot of people with systems like hers, it seemed ridiculous to hold only her accountable. Definitely no criminal intent here, just a bad system all around. Also, it never would have occurred to me anyone would use the same e-mail for home and for work. Even for the low level security I need, mine has always been separate and I only used the work e-mail for personal stuff in an emergency.
I was all for Bernie. I do not wish to see Tump win. I would like to see Jill Stein be the next President.
I read your article but it has no mention of some of the bad things Hilary has done which are listed in this article:
https://socialistworker.org/2016/08/01/clinton-is-the-one-who-should-be-ashamed
For example – supporting the coup in Honduras which led to people fleeing for their lives.
Also sabotaging the elected Venezuelan government (as revealed in her emails).
Not to mention her support of Israeli acts of aggression…
So while I’d prefer Hillary over Trump, I’d definitely prefer Jill over Hill.
Thank you for commenting, Peter. Sadly, a vote for Stein (who is also very flawed, as we all are) is a vote for Trump.
I just wish people would stop saying that!!! A vote Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein!! Damn. Is this not a free currently can a person NOT vote their conscience without being told their vote “won’t count”?? BULLCRAP!! I’m voting Johnson. Period!! He best fits all the points. If we want to see a change in this electing of the POTUS, we need to BE THE CHANGE, and not be coerced by individuals who tell us that somehow someone took our vote and switched it to another candidate. Our vote counts! Even if not the most popular.
The “elected Venezuelan government” sounds more legitimate than it is. Venezuelans are starving under that same government. Chavez’s successor (an uneducated former bus driver), Maduro, has run the once thriving country into the ground. They currently have the worst economy in the world with all of their previously abundant resources, such as oil, depleted. When the opposition won the majority in parlaiment recently, most of the country was overjoyed.
I would really like for any Jill Stein supporter to explain how she is qualified to be the President of the United States, Commander in Chief, and the leader of the free world. Any explanation at all is welcome.
This is exactly why I’ve been a Hillary fan since the 80s. She is the energizer bunny who never quits and never gives up. As I’ve said for years, her biggest failing is the lack of that extra appendage – there is NO part of me that believes she would be viewed the same way if she were a man. I’m with her!
You are absolutely right, Natalie! Peace, Michael.
Good 👍
Thank you! 🙂
Thanks for bringing this up Natalie. So sexist of you and many that are voing for her. Which is her having the lack thereof ? Her policy positions and how she would govern based on her past seem to come second after this first major point ?
An excellently reasoned and written article. One request: Please consider the sexist implications in referring to Clinton as “the first female President” rather than “the first woman President”. Thank you for this fine article!
Lyn, while I’m glad you enjoyed reading the article, can you please help me understand how it is sexist to refer to Clinton as the first female president? Best, Michael.
Only because you don’t refer to Trump ever as a male…only as a Man! She is a female…yes…but she is a strong Woman!! Just because you are a male, does not mean that you are a Man!! I am almost 56 years old and I have never voted because I despise politics!! Yesterday, I registered to vote because I am fearful of our future if Trump wins and it’s not because she is a woman (like myself)!! It’s because I feel she is the lessor of the two evils and her being a mother and grand mother, just gives me hope that she will make smart and well thought out choices in ALL of her decisions as the future President.
I believe it is because you never refer to a Trump as a male…only as a Man. Yes…she is a female but she is also a strong Woman! Not all males can be called or considered a Man!! I am almost 56 years old and have never voted because I despise politics and most politicians. Yesterday, I registered to vote because I worry about our country & the worlds future if Trump should win! Yes, I am a woman but that is not why I am choosing HRC. I believe that she is the lessor of the two evils and has more experience in the political arena. I am hopeful, that because she is a mother and a grand mother like myself, that she will make smart and well thought out choices in ALL of her decisions that she will face as the POTUS!!
Isabell, thank you for commenting here. I would also offer she is exceedingly competent! Peace, Michael.
Certainly Michael, I’d be happy to! Thanks for asking. A gendered female can be a designated member of any two-gendered species. The term serves to differentiate between reproductive functions. An adult female (all LGBTQ variations acknowledged and respected) of the species, homo sapiens is (again, generally speaking) specifically a woman, a designation that carries far more specificity and dignity than than the term “female” which reduces a woman to her biological reproductive capacity. Just so you know, this is the same reasoning which I apply, for instance, to the term “male nurse” (equally unnecessary and demeaning). There is, of course, a use for female/male designations at times, most often in science, but otherwise the terms “woman” and “man” convey personhood, value, and respect in a way that “male” and “female” do not. Words have power and the capacity to shape our worldviews. I did not infer by your usage of the word that you intended any disrespect to candidate Clinton, nor did your use of the word “female” detract from from a powerful account of your personal political evolution. Since the theme of your article is open-mindedness, I simply submit my thoughts for your consideration. Best wishes, Lyn
Lyn, thank you. I appreciate the clarification, but even more I so appreciate you sharing a part of your narrative here! I believe narratives are super powerful and help build empathy. Yes, I try to be careful with language and also know that I will make mistakes. I am also holding tension about how to use the words because two of my trans identified friends use the words “female” and “woman” differently from what you have offered and I would argue that all are correct and that it is not up to me to decide. I do hope we make progress in breaking out of a gender binary. Thank you, again! Peace, Michael.
It’s a pleasure sharing ideas with you, Michael. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I can see how our trans sisters and brothers would need to craft additional definitions and new words to articulate their reality. There is so much to be learned by listening (and actually hearing) each other’s stories.
Best, Lyn
Lyn, you are quite lovely! I feel honored to exchange ideas with you here. I am grateful for your wonderful energy. Peace, Michael.
Thank you for your article. It is exactly how I want to tell everyone. You perfectly put it. I especially like the part where you asked everyone to comment, even the “never Hillary” folks but to give facts to support their comments. I have done the same thing with people around me. “I don’t like Hillary.” Why, I asked. “I just don’t like her.” That was the only answer I got when asking for reasons. I appreciate your article. I think this will wake a lot of people up. As you can see, not many people came out disagreeing with your article because of that last sentence. A great read indeed.
Hi Jam, thank you for commenting here. Yes, while there are some negative comments from people here, I am still holding out some hope that this article can be the impetus for people engaging in conversations and a willingness to look at system misogyny and how we are all implicated in systems of oppression. Peace, Michael.
Brava!
Thank you, Holly! 🙂
Playing the sexist card… Wow! All that does is reflect poorly on women as a whole. She is an amoral, unethical and criminal person. Ask yourselves… What happened to Bernie? This is just an attempt to white-wash a sociopathic, elitist hoodlum so Democrats don’t feel so guilty about having to vote for this fucking viper… Remember Bengazi if nothing else. There are other candidates like the green party and the libertarian party, dare for once not to be mainstream.
Wow! It is as though you did not read the article at all, or that you lack the capacity to tolerate cognitive dissonance.
Oddly enough, my father — he’s ex-military intelligence — and I were just discussing Benghazi the other day. He would have loved for Mr Sanders to be our candidate, but he never doubted that Madam Secretary did all she could for her people on the ground. Quite simply, they went in against advisement, knowing that the nearest significant aid in an unexpected conflict would be hours out, not minutes. The situation in Benghazi turned deadly in minutes. You’d have needed a TARDIS to salvage it, given where reinforcements were able to be placed.
I showed this article to my husband, who has “hated” Hillary and Bill Clinton for years. He’s always been a reasonable man, given he’s male, white and old (he did vote for President Obama both times!) He cannot stand Donald Trump, and would never vote for him. I thought he was leaning Gary Johnson, but he mentioned that voting for Johnson would be a vote for Donald Trump. What I’m trying to say is that I really think he’ll vote for Hillary, and it’s articles like yours, that dig out the truth, that will make the difference in Hillary’s favor come Election Day. Thank you!
Anna, this is quite lovely. Thank you for sharing this and thank you for sharing the article with your husband. Very nice to have some good news! Peace, Michael.
Thank you for this article, Michael. I was a Bernie supporter and have struggled with Hillary. Believe me, I consider her to be incredibly intelligent and competent. I also believe her to have the steadiest hand of anyone running. I considered “Bernie or Bust” briefly, not because of the hype or the rumors. She isn’t as progressive as I would like, and the treatment of the Palestinians is a heart break for me. However, I would not trust Donald Trump to dogsit for me, let alone run my country. I was pleased to see a more progressive platform than I expected. I am so tired of Hillary being criticized for her clothes, and Michelle Obama for her bare arms. Those are HUGE issues facing our country (smh). I am ready to have Hillary in the oval office. I am ready for her to show what she can do. Finally, I am ready to say “I’m with her.”
Carolyn, thank you so very much for your comments here. I, too, struggled to leave Bernie. Your commentary here is exceedingly eloquent. I’m rather envious–I would love to be as eloquent! Peace, Michael.
Thank you. I have had a similar experience when I ask people for specifics. I researched Hillary after my party lost its mind and nominated the Trump. While not as moderate as I would prefer, I have come to the conclusion that she will make a great president. I suspect others in my party will also pull the lever for Clinton under cover of the curtain. I would rather she spoke truth and admitted to the mistakes she has made – but I might do the same if I were relentlessly pursued. Beside, her list of concerns pales I’m comparison to the Trump.
Gail, thank you for your candor here. I hope your voice helps many to work together in solidarity. Peace, Michael.
I will vote for Secretary Clinton in November, but at this point it won’t be with much enthusiasm. As a liberal and former Democrat, I don’t believe that this dislike of her as a candidate has anything to do with decades of G.O.P. smears and as a woman, I don’t think it has to do with misogyny either.
I am less than impressed by a so-called public servant who uses the opportunities afforded by holding office to enrich themselves. The Clintons are multi-millionaires because they are very good at trading power, influence, and wealth back and forth. Their peers are the 1% and the Wall Street elite which makes it very hard for me to believe that Secretary Clinton would do anything meaningful as president to reign in the economic and wealth imbalance that our country is suffering from right now. Her repeated comments on incremental change only reinforce this feeling as I’m sure she doesn’t want to change a system under which she, her family, and her peers benefit.
While I don’t feel I can honestly say that she’s done anything illegal, I know that she seems to walk a perilously fine line when it comes to mixing power and money. As Secretary of State, she personally, and quite unusually, handled an issue with the Swiss financial giant UBS when the IRS was suing UBS for information on the secret accounts of American tax evaders. After sealing a deal wheren less than 10% of the requested information was delivered, President Clinton, who had had no former personal involvement with UBS, was invited to deliver series of speeches for a fee of $1.5 million. The Clinton Foundation also saw a marked increase in donations from UBS as well as received multi-million dollar loans. The irony of watching Secretary Clinton call for the repeal of Citizens United when she has her own super-PAC funded by a Wal-Mart heiress isn’t lost on me either.
Finally, I have lost a lot of respect for Secretary Clinton as well as many other figures for ignoring and tacitly condoning the biased actions of the Democratic National Committee. While I understand the threat that Trump presents and would, in that comparison, greatly prefer Secretary Clinton, I don’t think that the despicable actions of the Democratic elite should be swept under the rug. These are the people that would be running the country and I find it difficult to believe that their ethics would suddenly improve nor that their appetite for power and wealth would suddenly diminish in favor of actual public service.
You can’t deny the value of what Hillary has done. Even if she doesn’t get elected. Which is a terrifying thought, at this point, for any true patriot. I will say that one reason, besides the misogyny – which I won’t deny, that I think Hillary suffers in the polls when she’s on the trail is that her public speaking voice makes her sound like a scripted panderer or patronizing, if that’s the adjective form. When I listened to Bernie, I felt that he was truly able to connect his beliefs with his audience’s needs, whereas Hillary does not sound, to me, to be speaking (it’s actually more like hollering, really) from her heart, but rather from her political mind. Which, I might add, has switched sides at least once in her life. Unlike Bernie. The air – the aura – of Hillary’s speeches are not of a person saying what they want to say, but rather what they think they need to say. But that’s politicians for you, isn’t it? In all seriousness, she could use some acting lessons… or listen to the commencement speech that she delivered at her college graduation. That was pretty fantastic. Thanks for the article. Hillary will do…
Thank you for commenting here. And, I have to imagine it is difficult having to speak for so long every day. I know when I teach or do workshops, my voice is quite raspy after just an hour of talking. 🙂 Peace, Michael.
I would respectfully suggest that th accusation of Hillary Clinton “yelling” needs to be examined as a possibly sexist sentiment. Listen to any political speech (I’ve kepy my ear open) and every candidate yells, uses the exact same inflections Hillary Clinton uses, and frequently does it with a tired and raspy voice. The timbre of a female voice is different, so Hillary’s yelling doesn’t get lumped in with all the other yelling that regularly goes on, it just goes into her ‘negative’ column. We have years of cultural DNA that contains men yelling, so we are comfortable with it. Our collective psyche isn’t used to hearing women yell. .
So well said. I have been working to find these words for many years but just unable to articulate as you have done here. Thanks
Thank you, Judy. 🙂 Peace, Michael.
When Hillary was first becoming more visible to the nation as Bill was first the President, it was often said “Who is she to be involved in (some issue or another . . .). She hasn’t ever done anything and is just riding her husband’s coat tails.” Clear misogyny – at that time she was far more accomplished in her career (Childrens Defense Fund, etc) and had been the primary wage earner as Bill held office. She IS guarded in campaigning, as would anyone be, after years of irrational attacks. She has made some poor choices (but I maintain the poor decision to use a private email server has to do with her well-earned guardedness rather than some attempt to “hide” national secrets), but I don’t see ANY of the intense scrutiny of her misdeeds applied to ANY male candidate of either party. (Even Trump, who is being relentlessly criticized, is in response to odd behavior rather than an intense examination of past lies or misdeeds in his businesses – of which there are apparently many.)
Caroline, great points here! I so hope people are reading your comment here! Peace, Michael.
Thankyou Michaeal . I’m so tired of people who make comments and do not read and truly investigate facts. I’m with her!!!!!
Thank you! And thank you for being a careful reader! 🙂
Thank you Michael. I’m with her!
Thank you soooo much for this very insightful and truthful article. For the past 4 months I have read so many negative articles and Facebook propaganda pieces about Mrs. Clinton and have tried to explain to people that they are wrong to no avail. I still respond to some of the blatant lies by asking for proof and documenting my proof. Sad to say but it doesn’t really work because people mostly have their minds made up and the 40 plus years of men and women trying to take her down has unfairly branded her. I will be doing everything I can to support Hillary and will be ecstatic when she is sworn in as our 1st female President.
Thank you, Karen! Peace, Michael.
How is she dishonest & a liar? Really, let us list them….
Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11…
We landed in Somalia under sniper fire and were rushed off of the tarmac….
Benghazi was caused by a youtube video…
(insert any comment or statement she has made about her email server)….
Her supposed support of the military, veterans, secret service, police… (numerous accounts of her distain of the people who truly serve)
Could you give cites for what you have just posted? It’s hard to accept this stuff as being anything but calumnious without having sources – and Bill Safire and his handmaiden Mo Dowd are not acceptable sources. Otherwise, I’m afraid you, sir, are part of the problem, not the solution.
Thank you for this thoughtful article. I had similar unfounded misgivings about Hillary at the beginning of the campaign and aligned myself with Bernie because of it, and I am a woman. When I woke up to the fact that I hadn’t done my own due diligence, I decided that wasn’t acceptable and began to learn about her on my own. Then I was just humbled and embarrassed by my own internalized sexism and bias that had been fueled over the years by outside influences. I take full responsibility now, and am happy that I woke up. Hillary Clinton is an inspiration and a role model now, not just “the lesser of two evils.” #ImWithHer
Michael, can I just say how amazing and wonderful you are? Thank you! Peace, Michael.
Michael, This was a treat to read. As an old, white voter and Democrat, I have admired Hillary for decades. I think the smears–William Safire notwithstanding–began even before she was First Lady of Arkansas. Did you know she lived with Bill for several years before she agreed to marry him? Did you know that when they married, she wanted to keep her maiden name? She feared her own identity would disappear; that she would be subsumed as his wife (with good reason, as it turns out). Can you imagine the raised eyebrows in Arkansas at her progressive ideas?
Bill certainly understands that he achieved what he did because Hillary had his back and was his advisor. He’s the extrovert that everyone loves; she’s the policy wonk who stays in the back room writing, planning, and doing homework. A classic introvert, she is warm, wonderful, adored, and admired by those she works with one-on-one, and in small groups. In crowds or large groups she is ill at ease, and her discomfort is apparent. Unfortunate, but there it is. She will be a great president even so. But perhaps this is a reason why some respond to her as aloof, distant, and even untrustworthy.
My Dear Genet, Can I just say how lovely and wonderful you are? I hope everyone reads your comments here. You are a lovely ally and a wonderful human being. Thank you for commenting here. I would also offer she is exceedingly competent! Peace and love, Michael.
I have been writing down my thoughts on this subject but you have done a much better job. I have been trying to think of a smart successful woman who has not been seen as a bitch and I cannot think of even one. Mother Teresa was denounced for meeting with unsavory politicians and businessmen in order to Assisi the poor. Christopher Hutchins launched an aggressive attack on Mother with a documentary and book aimed to inflame her reputation. Eleanor Roosevelt was accused of stimulating racial prejudice is, of meddling in politics, talking to match, traveling too much, being too informal and espousing causes critics found a mistress of the White House should have been left alone.
Shirley, thank you for commenting here. I would also offer she is exceedingly competent! Peace, Michael.
Michael, a well-crafted and articulate post. Unfortunately, you’ve used words many do not know the meaning and, alas, will dismiss. But thank you.
Josef, thank you. I need to pay attention to that. I welcome any adivce! Peace, Michael.
Hillary has been one of the role models I have shoved on my friends. I am Gen X, so I have watched the smearing of Hillary in real time with utter confusion. I appreciate you putting into words what I have been feeling and helping me articulate it.
Thank you, Diana! Peace, Michael.
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Thank you for reblogging this! Peace, Michael.
With the billions of dollars Republican based 1% ers might have to properly pay in honest taxes, no costs will be spared in trying to crush HRC by any means possible. This will be corrupt advertising and propaganda till November; the best that money can buy. The fact that so many accept the “dishonest/crooked” name-calling without specifics, is absolute proof of the power of top-notch marketing. If you say it often enough lies become fact to the target audience.
How sadly accurate you are! Peace, Michael.
Wow. Thank you. I’ve made the same journey recently. I love Bernie Sanders. He speaks the truth unflinchingly and at the convention revealed himself to be a truly great man. He started a movement to make America safe for democracy again, and I believe he/we will succeed. He’s not finished, but what he’s already accomplished will continue to ripple through the culture.
I always thought that Hillary was a deeply good person. I knew she was getting smeared, but the relentless campaign raised doubt in me, which of course was the strategy. This piece cleared away a lot of mud that was obscuring the truth.
Interestingly, I think Bernie Sanders made it politically tenable for her to move toward where her heart has always been. Getting creamed the way she did when she tried to make universal health care a reality would make most people cautious.
Trump isn’t the change candidate. The Republican congress has been cynically and systematically impeding any kind of constructive change. If we really want change, we’ll elect Clinton and boot the Republicans out of the House and Senate.
Shrewdness is not a vice. Clinton is not the lesser of two evils. She’s an unusually good and strong person, a little stiff in public maybe, who’s withstood an incredible smear campaign by those she threatens.
Drake, yes, “Clinton is not the lesser of two evils. She’s an unusually good and strong person, a little stiff in public maybe, who’s withstood an incredible smear campaign by those she threatens.” Exactly! Peace, Michael.
I have always loved Hillary! I think she was exceptional as First Lady and LOVED that she wasn’t interested in baking cookies, and that she began the conversation on Universal healthcare (talk about public service!). I knew we needed it then. We have it now. She was ahead of her time. I thought she was a brilliant Secretary of State, rebuilding America’s relationships and reputation after the Iraq war, which seemed an impossible task! I voted for her in 2008, not because I didn’t like Obama, but because the mess we were in required experience and poise. But then I’m a woman with a rebellious streak and a deep heart who wants to help the world, so maybe I just saw a little of myself in her. I’m SO ready for Hillary. Have been for years now! Btw.. this piece was fantastic! Thank you!
Yes! So ready for her Presidency! Peace, Michael.
What a crock of absolute crap.
In what respect? Let me guess, because you are sure she is a murderer and has told more lies than anybody ever in history? Please illuminate your position starting with your personal interactions with her.
I did a little research. When did “cisgender” become a term?
It may have been in usage all along, but I’ve never heard it. Isn’t that just ones gender?
Hi Max, good question. I have been using the term cisgender for about 12 years now. I am not certain exactly when it became a part of the vernacular, but I would say it is a commonly used term to identify people such as myself. And, being cisgender means I have unearned privilege that my trans identified siblings do not have. Peace, Michael.
Nicely done! I’ve followed Hillary for 30 years and have never understood why she was so constantly scapegoated.
How do you respond to Hillary is a hawk who has killed thousands of people from Latin America to the Middle East. I get that a lot. I’m looking for the best way to respond.
Strong, smart, outspoken girls and women have been targets for longer than I have been alive and fighting it personally. Both my younger sister and I have dealt with this our entire lives. Of course, Hillary has faced it at a much higher level. I believe strongly that much of the hatred of Hillary is explained primarily by her unique combination of gender, intelligence, and insistence on change. Sexism, pure but not simple. In fact, just referring to her here as Hillary is an example of this. Why aren’t I referring to her as Clinton? I wouldn’t refer to the President as Barack or the Republican nominee as Donald. And, if she chose to forgive her husband’s infidelity, that is her business and not ours. Family values advocates would applaud this if she were a Republican or more conservative or not Hillary. I did not look at the byline of this essay until I read someone’s comment. I was then so stunned that the writer was male that I actually spoke to myself out loud (usually a bad sign), “This writer is a man?” Outstandingly written, whether or not one agrees with you.
Yes! And thank you for saying all of this. The only thing I would add to your truthful, accurate statements that women are a targeted community, and that misogyny is systemic is that WOMEN are 50% of the population (!!!!) People are not rrally connecting the dots yet: the fact that hatred of 50% of the population is so blatantly woven into the very fabric of humanity has profound effects and ramifications on every group at every level. If this were not the case, ALL human systems would be different and more fair and balanced – governmental, agricultural, environmental, educational, economic, health care, sociological, etc etc. No group can afford to keep dismissing the crippling effects of this widespread, destructive truth.
I loved this! I was talking with a colleague the other day trying to articulate your thought process and assessment. I hope many read this–you say it so beautifully. As a long term Hillary supporter, I have thought a lot about this double-standard. Thank you…shared on FB
Any woman who is so desperate for power that she stays with a cigar twiddling asshole like her husband is not fit to run a grocery store let alone the USA
There is a clear link between militarism and violence against women, if we talk of systemic misogyny we are looking at a structure of militarized violence in the US and its wars overseas. It is no secret that Hillary Clinton is the most hawkish of presidential candidates. It is also no secret that Bill and Hillary Clinton have presided over systemic sexism and strengthened it through their Welfare Reform Act which punished mostly women and children. It is also no secret that the trade deals they have supported which lead to an exploitation of labor overseas have particularly harmed women. Stating that Hillary is opposed because of systemic sexism, something she presided over and strengthened is blatantly dishonest. It is no “cartoon” when a person conducts her entire official government business on an insecure private server and lies when caught in the act and because of a corrupt system, that ensures she gets legalized bribes worth millions in “speaking fees,” gets away scot-free. Unlike most women in America, Hillary is privileged and powerful and she is opposed not because she is a woman but because she has acted like the most violent of men in terms of war making and mass butchery.
I agree with most of these points, but have to dissent on her history with poverty issues, which will make me choke on my vote for her: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/moneybox/2016/06/hillary_clinton_s_role_in_welfare_reform.html
I really feel sorry for the author of this article. How could anyone be so misinformed?
And why doesn’t she show her transcripts of speeches to Wall Street?
Why doesn’t Trump show his Tax Returns??
She could show the speeches, but I doubt that you would accept that as your final demand. You and your cronies are like blackmailers, continuing to ask for more and more from her, while excusing a train wreck that is Donald Trump.
She could show the speeches, but I doubt that you would accept that as your final demand. You and your cronies are like blackmailers, continuing to ask for more and more from her, while excusing a train wreck that is Donald Trump.
Because he has something to HIDE!!
Why doesn’t Trump show us his taxes?
They aren’t hard to find. Here’s one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lKlJ3Ed4fQ
Hi Ken, Presidential candidates are not usually pressed for transcripts from private speeches given while they were private citizens. Meanwhile, it is traditional to release many years of tax returns – which neither Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump did. In fact, Bernie Sanders said he would release his tax returns if Hillary Clinton released the transcripts of her speeches. This is a double standard at work. “I’ll do something I should have been prepared to do anyway, if you do this unprecedented thing I am demanding of you.” Hillary Clinton should absolutely not give in to this double standard. In my experience, giving in to the double standards that surround women their whole life is a no wing proposition. The minute you try to play that game, there is a next demand and a next demand, and none of it leads to respect or ultimately success.
I think you have that backwards? Hillary said she would release her speech transcripts when other candidates released their’s. Bernie, the only other candidate she was running against, released his. She still hasn’t.
As to why what she said, and any promises she may have made, to the big wigs at the banks and Wall Street is important? I’m not going to address that here. Either you get it or you don’t. Many folks thought she would pick Warren as her running mate — you know, the senator who is fighting back against the financial industry. She didn’t. Instead she picked a man who is soft on what the financial sector has done to us.
Because she and Trump have something to hide. Or is it only Trump who has something to hide? Sometimes I can’t tell — it all depends upon who you’re listening to
Trump has benn paid as much as 1.5 million for a speech. She was talking about all candidates on both sides.
What do you really think is in those speeches? How she wants GS to crush the middle class and destroy America? Come on. You did not really read what was written above did you?
Why should she have to? No other Presidential candidate in history, has ever even been asked to do this. When Guiliani ran for President, he released records showing approximately $13 million made in speeches for the year 2006. No one asked him for transcripts, not one person.
Why aren’t you asking for Trump’s speeches as well, he was paid significantly more for them than she was.
I hope all this translates to VOTE for HRC come November because TALK IS CHEAP AND BULLSHIT WALKS!
Although I was in full support of Bernie…it lit a fire inside me to see that it might be possible for a woman to actually be elected president. I know I am not voting for Trump…but in the last few days it has burned me up inside to see all the hate spewed at her…for which I’ve tried to defend…and it clearly screams mysogyny
Starting with her husband cheating, because that makes her untrustworthy…to the way she speaks….if she didn’t carry her voice and exude a strong demeanor and instead was soft and relatable…then she’s wrong for being ‘weak’. It’s sexist no matter how you look at it. I don’t know everything. I just know she is a strong woman and has just enough if not more credentials to be elected president than anyone…
“…if she didn’t carry her voice and exude a strong demeanor and instead was soft and relatable…then she’s wrong for being ‘weak’.
And if she does carry her voice and speak strongly with confidence, she is too full of ego, too aggresive, telling everybody what to do, and obviously too privileged or she would not come across as so self assured.
I will vote for Hillary because she’s smart and experienced in politics. DT is uninformed, thin skinned and ill mannered. And maybe just a little deranged. I do however sometimes wonder about Hillary’s state of mind as well. I understand that politicians have got to cook the books a little when it comes to facts and complete truthfulness when needed to get things done. But I don’t see how her complete fantasy about being under fire at the Bosnian airport is the same thing. What was that all about? Is she delusional? Does she really think it happened? She must have known she’d be found out. She seems to have been given a pass on this and I don’t know why. When a guy who basically reads the news to us on TV made up a similar dodging bullets story that’s all anybody could talk about for weeks. The need to impress with this self aggrandizing tale in a world leader is troubling. I’m still voting for her.
Brian Williams reconciled his misstep and was given a second chance, and is seemingly doing very well. Is it possible that Hillary has also done the same?
I just want thinking people to use their minds when selecting a candidate. Much as in 2008 when Obama was elected and the battle cry was “we need to have a black President” (their words, not mine), I hear a similar cry for “we need a woman President.” When same people are questioned about “why” they are voting for said candidate, the answer is “bc she is a woman” not that they believe she is the best qualified candidate. We are fast heading down a slippery slope to socialism vs democracy.
Zoanne – I am a big Hillary Clinton supporter, for many reasons including her history of service and accomplishments, her experience and intelligence, and her support of the Affordable Care Act. I know A LOT of Hillary Clinton supporters. We are all excited that our candidate may be the first woman president, but I don’t know a single person who is voting for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman.
I know there are people who believe Hillary should be elected because she is a woman and it’s about time. However, I know of no one for whom that is the only reason. ALL those who are voting for her because she’s a woman know is is night and day different from Trump and absolutely the most qualified person we have had run for the office in a LONG time, if not ever.
Yes, I would underscore that a she is exceedingly competent and qualified! Peace, Michael.
Here’s an answer: she “won’t stay throwed.” She’s courageous and self-disciplined. She’s intelligent and well-informed. She’s pro-choice, and as the grandmother of a 19 year old girl, that’s important to me. I like her ideas for regulating Wall Street. I don’t agree with all of her positions, but would not expect perfect agreement on all issues with any other human being, even my husband!
Well stated, Marcia! 🙂 Peace, Michael.
No offense but your statement is racist and sexist. No one voted for Barack Obama just because he was black. He was an amazing person and still is. He fights for people and has grace and dignity and character. Hillary is strong intelligent and has devoted her whole life to lifting people up. Donald hasn’t done anything for anyone but himself.
I have not heard one person say they’re voting for her because she’s a woman. She’s better qualified than her opponent. I think she has a better temperament to deal with other world leaders and international issues. She cares about minorities and the poor. Trump has never had to worry about money. He’s never lived paycheck to paycheck or had no health insurance. I don’t see how he can relate to most of our population. He clearly has no empathy for anyone. He lacks a consistent message about anything other than how great he is. Even if I had real reservations about Clinton, I couldn’t cast my vote for Trump.
Democratic socialism is different than socialism. We already have many socialistic policies in place and they work very well. Others that would be beneficial to Americans are working well in other countries. If you research these policies, they’re not scary at all. I’m not voting for Clinton because she’s a woman. She has the most experience and is the most qualified. When it was Bernie against Hillary, I voted for Bernie. However, there is no way I would vote for Trump, and voting for the 3rd parties is a throw away vote. I didn’t work when any other 3rd party candidate ran and there were no idealistic changes in the government because of their stances.
People didn’t support Pres. Obama only because he was Black. Otherwise, Black folks would have voted for Alan Keyes, Herman Cain and Ben Carson. So stop with that nonsense.
I have posted two comments, neither of which are posted. Only the “agreers” get posted, I guess. I just want people to vote in an informed manner. Obama was elected by many who thought “it was time for a black President” (their words, not mine). I see reporters polling the streets asking people who will they vote for and many say “a woman.” Not that the woman is HRC, just that it is time for a woman to be President. Regardless of race or gender, the candidate should be the best qualified to get my vote.
Zoanne, may I ask that you put yourself in check here? I am approving the comments as fast as I can. I also have to sleep and eat and do my job.
I was an early Bernie supporter, now an enthusiastic Hillary supporter, and I know a great many Hillary supporters NONE of whom have ever said they support her just bc she is a woman. All people I know support her for the good work she has done and her progressive policies, steady temperament, reasoned approach to problems. Who are these people who suggest they would vote for someone just because she’s a woman?? (Palin, anybody?) I don’t believe you.
People always say, in response to the notion of voting for a woman, that they would do so if she was the best qualified. There is nobody more objectively qualified than Hillary Clinton. She has experience in every branch of government and extensive experience in the Executive branch. By contrast, Trump has never held so much as municipal government position. When someone says that, what I here is a woman has to be ideally, perfectly, supremely qualified in a way that no human can ever hope to be while a man just needs to be over 35, a citizen and loud.
Thank you for checking your own misogyny. Though I must say if I, or any other woman had written this, I’m pretty confident the negative comments in response would be even worse. I rarely comment or speak out anymore on social media, especially to call out the rampant sexism that exists here, because it is just exhausting and so incredibly depressing.
I truly hope Hillary finally breaks through that glass ceiling, but if the Obama presidency has taught us anything, it is that doing so will not mean an end to sexism, but a doubling down of the attacks against her. How dare she, like Obama, presume she could do a job that has until now been reserved for white, heterosexual males?
And when Hillary wins, I am optimistic, the ultimate irony is that she will be blamed for creating a “gender war” just as the right has done its best to peddle the ridiculous narrative of Obama being responsible for creating a “race war.” It sucks to be pioneers, but we should all be incrddibly grateful for these two trailblazers. Our children and grandchildren will thank them.
Lorie, thank you for commenting here. Yes, sadly, you are right. Very sadly, had a woman published this same article, I suspect the comments would be far uglier, thus proving the article correct! I will confess, this has been a depressing journey, as I have deleted many comments that were just outright mean and offensive–homophobic, racist, and misogynistic. Peace, Michael.
For the people who say “What has she accomplished?”
Here’s a list of her accomplishments:
•First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College.
•President of the Wellesley Young Republicans
•Intern at the House Republican Conference
•Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School
•Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action
•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale’s Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children’s Defense Fund
•Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•Former civil litigation attorney.
•Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
•twice listed by The National Law Journal as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
•Former First Lady of Arkansas.
•Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983
•Chair of the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession
•twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America
•created Arkansas’s Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas’s education system
•Board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree
•Traveled to 79 countries during time as FLOTUS
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Served on five Senate committees:
-Committee on Budget (2001–2002)
-Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009)
-Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009)
-Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)
-Special Committee on Aging.
•Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site’s redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
•First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate (and re-elected)
•Two-term New York Senator
-(senate stats here: https://www.govtrack.us/…)
-(voting record here: http://votesmart.org/…)
•Former US Secretary of State
•GRAMMY Award Winner
•Author
Borrowing this
That is an impressive list. Did you take the time to compile it, or did you find it somewhere else? Could you help us out with the source? I’d like to use this, but need to cite a source. Thanks
so how can trump ever utter the words that Hillary is not qualified, when in fact it is him who has no qualifications whatsoever in public or human services ..
borrowing this for my die hard Trump loyalists.
May I borrow your list and share? People need to see this and realize that this wonderful woman by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton is more than qualified to be our first woman POTUS! I Love her and #I’mWithHer
Thank you.
A lifetime worth of “atta boys” are meaningless when you commit high treason….
You need to go to the Constitution and read what treason means. Here’s a little bit of info to get you started: ‘ treason involves the betrayal of allegiance to the United States’, and ‘a person who pursues a course of action that is intended to benefit the United States but mistakenly helps an enemy is not guilty of treason’. Incidentally, she didn’t even mistakenly help an enemy. There was no evidence of any type of hack. However, the State Dept server did get hacked, so are they all guilty of treason in your definition? How about the DNC? How about the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
GREAT LIST! Thanks.
Thank you for the article. There has been a big hate against Hillary for far too many years. Too many people follow Rush Limbaugh and Fox and friends and never do any fact checking. I agree that is the most important thing for every voter, especially this year.
Thanks for that intelligent insight and clear thinking. I, too, was Sanders fan, I am totally supportive of Ms Clinton.
So let me get this straight. When your favorite candidate was still in the running it was ok to be anti HRC for lots of good reasons. But when she’s the only Democrat left suddenly anti HRC is due to some sexist bias?
Your article should win an Olympic Gold medal for moral gymnastics.
However I agree with people not being able to name why they’re anti Hilary. In many ways political beliefs are like religious beliefs. You decide where you stand and then accept/reject evidence from that standpoint. It’s like an atheist trying to prove God doesn’t exist to a believer. Facts and logic won’t work. I don’t understand why so many people went all in when it comes to Bernie. For a long time he was a long shot – I get that he was their preferred candidate but they must have known in the back of their minds that the day that Hilary was the only one left was coming.
Brian (always a Hilary supporter)
Brian, I appreciate your post! While I agree with the article that Hillary has been vilified because of sexism, my own objections to her have always about her positions. Since I’ve worked for women’s rights for most of my life, I find it insulting that anyone say the only reason not to support Hillary is sexism. Yes, there’s sexism. And she also has a history and a record, easily accessible, separate from sexist attacks, that anyone can access to make an informed decision. I hate that fact and logic don’t work, because I want to consider all sides and make a decision that even takes into consideration my own emotional biases.
mansplaining …. [yawn]
Thank you.
This article shines a light on what has been crystal clear to me for years. It is unfortunate that we all too often allow the media to shape and even create our opinions for us. Whatever happened to critical thinking? In this world of instantaneous living, we want everything wrapped, packaged, and handled to us, and sadly, this includes our beliefs.
So much anti-Hillary propaganda that has been out there. People have been drinking the punch for so long. This is an excellent article, but I truly doubt those that believe the Villain Hillary Scenario are willing to give it up. They argue Wall-Street, they Argue Monsanto, they argue Benghazi, they argue classified emails. They think they KNOW the facts. It is a tiring arguing with them. I truly hope that their is a silent pocket of independents that are doing research and informing themselves and will turn up in droves at the polls. If not, please pray for America!
“They think they KNOW the facts.”
How is that any different from you? A lot of people do NOT trust Hillary, and despite everyone’s best efforts to state otherwise, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that she’s a woman. But it’s easy to dismiss arguments outright when you can point your finger and scream “misogyny!”.
She’s a neocon warhawk in Democrat’s clothing. Her support for the status quo should be enough to prove she’s not the one that you should be voting for if you desire any kind of positive change. (And let’s face it, everyone seems to want change, but they’re too scared to vote for it).
Gary Johnson is the only sane alternative. But he doesn’t have a vagina… so I guess he’s out. People are so laser-focused on Republican or Democrat that they completely forget they have alternatives. Voting for the “lesser of two evils” is still evil.
this is a mans world and we are threading on their heels. We give birth to them, nurture them and direct them to respect their dads no matter what. We women are stronger, smarter and can survive anything. God has given us that strength So just know that from the beginning of time all these horrific killing existed , now we get it first hand. Hillary is not that great and powerful to create these storms in our lives but she is determine like hell to try and put a stop to them.So join me in voting for her and in four years then you can make a decision was it worth your vote. No one person can change the world so let us get together and make the change.I AM WITH HER.
It is her policies, Wars, for profit prisons, complete corporate control over government, conflict of interest between her donors and environment-labor-justice and hacking the social safety nets to bits. A long list of disasters. Her camps base, obvious pandering to identity politics, like this article, is only icing on the cake for why only an idiot would vote for her.
Lots of words. Actions speak louder.
Michael. What is your response to Kiersyn (Aug 2, 5:47pm)? I am for Hillary, but agree that the Clinton Foundation is a huge liability for her on the ethical front,. And what about all these highly credible stories from her secret service details about her verbal abuse and condescending behavior? Whitewater, Travelgate, Benghazi, the email fiasco, etc. are all explainable as reasonable judgment calls she made that caused partisan blowback, and which do not cause me any concern. But the picture of her as the imperious and abusive executive is disturbing, and something that shows a lack of character in any leader–male or female in my book. Men get away with it more, but it does not make it right. How does one respond to that?
I would encourage caution and that it is inconsistent with other reports saying HRC is a collaborative leader. I would also point out this is more evidence of systemic misogyny around leadership and how dare women lead.
Omg. Even if 10% of your rhetoric are true, Let’s just talk about TRUMP in contrast. Are you insane man??
Some of those reports were consistent with what Michael is saying in regards to responses from a man being acceptable while from a woman it makes her a bitch.
Thank you for this piece. I just posted it on Facebook.com/Moms4HRC and we have 4700+followers so hoping it gets good exposure! If u can, check us out. It’s not just for moms at all.
Julie, thank you for sharing the article! Peace, Michael.
Professor Mary Beard is incisive on the widespread and historic misogyny
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n06/mary-beard/the-public-voice-of-women
I would love to vote for Hillary for a lot of reasons. But, at a time when anyone with any sense of history could see that the bombing of Irag was unjust and leading to another Vietnam-type war, she bilndly voted to do just that. Who knows how many, perhaps hundreds of thousands of, innocent civilians were killed (we never talk about that loss of life). Anyone who voted for that is, in my opinion, a war criminal. I can’t get over that. I don’t vote for war criminals. This is not spin that Repuublicans have perpetrated to sway voters. It is a simple fact that is a deal breaker for me.
One, in 2002, the Dems did not vote for war in Iraq, they voted to allow the use of force if, and only if, POTUS could certify to congress that efforts at sanctions and diplomacy had been exhausted. Check the wording of the Resolution and the transcripts of the floor speeches prior to the vote for yourself.
Two, I will remind you that Senator Clinton was a Senator from NY, where the tragedies of 9/11 hit hardest. To vote against seeking justice made little sense in her particular situation.
Three, General Powell told the UN and the entire world that huge lie that Saddam Hussein was aiding and abetting al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction. It was all lies. A huge pack of lies that mislead most of the World to agree that war in Iraq was necessary. It is the biggest regret of his career, and he has since been forgiven, but those he misled have not? I call bullshit.
Give me a break. Voting to authorize the use of force is in no way akin to being a war criminal. She voted, like many others, based on false information peddled by the Bush administration. She’s also known to have a deep respect for the office of the president, and that being the case she trusted the man she served under when he asserted that there were WMDs. Note also that the vote was not for bombing Iraq; it authorized the use of force but was not a call to war. Furthermore, she herself has since admitted that the vote was a mistake. But I’m sure you’ve never made any decisions you later went on to regret, right? The woman has been in public service for more than 30 years; in light of all the other great things she’s accomplished it’s outrageous that a single vote, which was by no means the decisive one, would be the sole reason you’d withhold your support.
Nice comment here, Joe. Peace, Michael.
Excellent analysis and much deserved rebuke of the unsubstantiated claims and unfounded criticism of Sec. Clinton. All anyone really has is their reputation. But thanks to geniuses like Bill Safire and the droves of Clinton bashers from the Republican Party, Sec. Clinton has lost most of hers. The irony of this horrendous assassination of her character is obvious fact that her critics are the dishonest and untrustworthy ones.
How does one reconcile her comments on Sunday to Chris Wallace which directly contradicted the FBI’s publicly announced report? Who’s lying? If HIllary did not lie, are we to believe that FBI Director James Comey lied? Really? Even the Washington Post (very friendly, to say the least, to liberals) gave Hillary 4 “Pinnochio’s” for her comments. Her crime (and others documented in the past) was very serious and has many ramifications; too serious to allow her good qualities to sway me to vote for her.
I found it … Finally! The land where we lie to ourselves so badly, that we create a fairytale of rainbows and butterflies.
I can’t wait to tell Mom…
What a very mean spirited comment. What is your point? You clearly do not want to engage in a conversation.
Micheal, thanks for your reply. We have two very bad canadates… You can chose to fluff it (and I must say it is well written!!!) my choice is to not live in fluff.
In your list of marginalized people who would be helped by Clinton’s platform, you omitted women.
In the past 24 hours, I read four articles including information on who would be helped by a Clinton presidency and the list is always “marginalized men.”
I’ve been watching this pattern for years. Rights for men count. Rights for women do t even make the list.
Thank you.
Peace, Michael. 🙂
Thank you for that thoughfull, factual piece. I have worried that people really don’t seem to see Hillary Clinton clearly, or even try to. Friends of mine, intelligent people, demonize her severely, and will not believe she will make an extraordinary President.
Sandra, yes, I am experiencing the same reactions from people. It seems to me there really is just this irrational antipathy for her, combined with a lack of capacity for some people to reflect and think critically. Peace, Michael.
Nicely written post. Thanks! I wish someone who vehemently opposes Clinton would put forth an intelligent argument supported by facts for why she shouldn’t be president. I hear the same rhetoric over and over again with no facts or even anecdotes to support these assertions of dishonesty.
She is unpopular for things SJE has said and things SHE has DONE!!!! HER CHOICES!!!
Thank you for writing this. I tried many times to express this but I couldn’t articulate it well enough. This election actually revealed sexism and misogyny to me. Hillary Clinton’s strength to keep her focus on the real issue – all of us – is why she could keep going through all those years of attacks. Getting through the primary season as a Hillary supporter, and then absorbing the endorsements by inspiring leaders via the DNC, has made me a better person. I will always remember this election as the one that gave me my voice.
I do ot understand why the voting public prefers an “up close and personal” style of candidate, rather than one who does what he or she is a hard working one (albeit with mistakes as we all make from time to time). When did this “personality” game beat the issues one? Sometimes we are lucky to have both; most times, not.
I cannot even adress the issue of our cultural sexism…too much here!
Thank you for your blog post. Very thoughtful, self-reflective, and IT gives me some hope for the future.
My greatest concern about my support of Hillary Clinton is she would return to supporting the TPP. Is she using her influence to stop the TPP from being passed during the lame duck session? She was so very adamant in proclaiming the support of the super delegates for her as a reason she could get things done; why not use her influence to discourage Democrats from voting for it? President Obama needs only a few Democrats to help in its passage. (Will Tim Kaine vote for it?) If the TPP were to be pushed through during the lame duck session, I predict Democrats will lose in 2018 whatever gains they made in 2016. And Hillary Clinton’s re-election in 2020 would be tenuous. Very few would actually believe Hillary Clinton was genuinely against the TPP and those onery congress people went against their next president’s heartfelt wishes.
Why I won’t vote for Hillary. (1) Benghazi, I remember Susan Rice on the Sunday shows blaming a video. I remember Hillary blaming those same videos. Email correspondence has proven she knew up front that wasn’t the case. Her comment “at this point, what does it matter.” It clearly mattered to the families of the people who died in Benghazi and the American people who believed the video story. (2) The server in her home. When I was in the Navy, had I handled classified information the way she did, I would have been court marshaled, possibly gone to jail, more than likely dishonorably discharged and definitely would never have been able to get any kind of security clearance. She lied to the FBI about the server and the missing emails, Director Comey confirmed this. (3) She repeated these lies to Chris Wallace during his interview. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Donald Trump either, he is a bully and a blowhard, but she is no knight in shining armor. It’s time to start looking at the third and fourth party candidates, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, and get them in the debates. I know there are die hard Hillary supporters as well as Trump supporters…but for all of us that fall in between those two, we’d like to see the alternatives.
I wanted to understand Benghazi as well and when I researched it I found this:The Facts
To set the stage, let’s first recall what Clinton said in her public remarks at the solemn ceremony with four flag-draped caskets:
“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.”
Note that Clinton devotes one sentence to the “heavy assault” in Benghazi and then another sentence about the “rage and violence” over the “awful Internet video.” (The video resulted in 40 protests around the world.) She does not say they are connected, although we agree that listeners may have gotten that impression.
But what’s really in dispute is what was said behind closed doors, in a private reception held in a comfortable room. Family members, huddled in four groups, were not told they would have a private session with administration officials until suddenly President Obama appeared.
“In walked President Obama,” said Barbara Doherty, the mother of former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty. “I was overwhelmed he was there, and I started to cry.”
The surviving family members basically fall into three camps: Clinton talked about the video; Clinton said something odd; Clinton never mentioned the video.
By contrast, in interviews, family members generally are consistent about other administration officials. Obama is depicted as somber and somewhat awkward. Vice President Biden is seen as empathetic, referencing his own loss of a wife and child, and also a jokester who lightened the mood and made people laugh.
But the portrait of Clinton is sharply divided.
Clinton spoke about the video
The two family members who say that Clinton spoke about a video are Patricia Smith, the mother of State Department information specialist Sean Smith, and Charles Woods, the father of former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods. They have appeared often on conservative-leaning radio shows and televisions programs, with Smith even saying, “I believe that Obama murdered my son.” (She said that “reporting by Fox News is the basis for much of her belief that Obama is ultimately responsible for her son’s death,” the San Diego Union-Tribune reported.)
In October 2012, Smith told CNN that then-U.N. ambassador Susan Rice said at the private meeting that the attack took place because of a video. “She talked to me personally and she said, she said, this is the way it was. It was — it was because of this film that came out,” she said. She also mentioned Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. “He said, ‘Trust me. I will tell you what happened.’ And so far, he’s told me nothing. Nothing at all,” she said.
In 2013, in testimony to the House Government Affairs Committee, Smith said every prominent administration official at the event blamed the attack on a video: “Obama and Hillary and Panetta and Biden and Susan all came up to me at the casket ceremony. Every one of them came up to me, gave me a big hug and I asked them what happened, please tell me. And every one of them said, it was the video. And we all know that it wasn’t the video, even at that time they knew it wasn’t the video. So they all lied to me.”
In an interview with The Fact Checker, Smith reiterated her statement that every administration official made this comment. “I’d ask, tell me what happened, and they all said it was the video, including Obama. I had never seen this video. All they said was it was the video that did this. I was walking from one to another, and they all said the same thing.”
In contrast, Woods has pinned the video reference entirely on Clinton — and says he has the notes to prove it. He said that after he returned to his hotel room at the Ritz-Carlton in Georgetown, he pulled out his pocket-sized at-a-glance calendar and jotted down the following sentence: “I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand, and she said we are going to have the film maker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son.”
A photograph is below:
Page from Charles Woods’s planner (Image via Fox News)
He said the entry is written on Sept. 15 because the day above it has other notes, including phone numbers of other family members that he did not want displayed. He said one notation reads: “6 am: Ty killed in Benghazi working for the State Dept.”
“Obama just said I’m sorry,” Woods recalled. “Joe Biden, he mentioned he went through something similar.” (Later, he said, Biden called out in a booming voice, “I heard your son always had balls the size of cue balls.”)
But Clinton, he said, did not offer any type of condolence but instead straight-up referenced the video. He said he wrote down the statement because he thought it was so strange that she would immediately talk about taking legal action, before the facts were apparent.
(Note: Mark Basseley Youssef, the filmmaker behind “Innocence of Muslims,” in 2012 was sentenced to a year in prison for violating the terms of his release from an earlier conviction.)
“I guess she thought it was going to make me feel better,” he said. “It offended me. This is not the way an attorney ethically is supposed to act…. I had never heard about a video in Libya. Did I even know what they are referring to? I don’t recall.”
Woods first publicly described this encounter with Clinton on the Lars Larson Show on Oct. 23, 2012, when he called in to the conservative-leaning radio program upset over Fox News reporting that suggested that White House officials had watched the attack unfold in real time through drone videos. (That turned out to be incorrect.)
The host brought up the video, asserting that Clinton in her public remarks blamed the video as being responsible for Tyrone Woods’s death.
Woods replied: “Well, this is what Hillary did. She came over and, you know, she did the same thing. You know, separately came over and talked with me. I gave her a hug, shook her hand. And she did not appear to be one bit sincere at all, and, you know, she mentioned that thing about, ‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video.’ That was the first time I had even heard anything like that.”
At another point in the interview, Woods recounted the conversation this way: “Hillary said, ‘We’re going to go, and we’re going to take care of these people that were responsible for your son’s death.’”
Two days later, on Glenn Beck’s “The Blaze,” Woods quoted Clinton as saying: “We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”
Clinton said something odd
Kate Quigley, the sister of Glen Doherty, said that in her conversation with Clinton, the then-secretary of state made no mention of a video, but did refer to a “spontaneous protest.”
“She said we had to be sorry for the Libyan people because they are uneducated, and that breeds fear, which breeds violence, and leads to spontaneous protests and acts of violence,” Quigley said in an interview with The Fact Checker. “The point was that it was not a planned thing; it just happened.”
Quigley said that “it seemed strange to tell us to have sympathy for the Libyan people. It really struck me as my heart was breaking.”
There was another moment at the reception that Quigley remembered with clarity. Ali Aujali, the Libyan ambassador, “leaned into me and said, ‘We are going to get the people responsible for this attack.’ It was the first time anyone had said that to me. I so needed to hear that. Nobody else took that line at all. It was so refreshing at that moment, so much what I wanted to hear.”
(Woods, in his Lars Larson interview, also mentioned that he had met a Libyan official: “I’m not mad at anyone, so it’s not a matter of revenge or anything like that. You know, Hillary said, ‘We’re going to go, and we’re going to take care of these people that were responsible for your son’s death.’ You know, like I told the Libyan — I think it was the president that was there in the hangar — total forgiveness.” )
Clinton did not mention a video
None of the other family members who agreed to be interviewed said Clinton made any reference to a video. Indeed, other family members have been puzzled by the confident assertions of Woods and Smith.
“It was absolutely never mentioned, and it is totally new to me,” said Jan Stevens, the father of U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens. “She gave us her sympathy. We had a great deal of talk about the problems of the world, the college her daughter attended. It was very small talk, nothing substantive.”
Barbara Doherty, the mother of Glen Doherty, recalled that Clinton “was very sincere, I remember her crying.” Clinton spoke to family members individually, she said. “She had just come back from Africa and talked about the women there and the conditions they were under,” Doherty said. “It was not political at all. That would have been totally inappropriate. That did not happen.” (Clinton had spent 11 days in Africa just four weeks before the attacks.)
Cheryl Croft Bennett, Tyrone Woods’s mother, told The Fact Checker that Clinton did not mention a video in her conversation with her. Bennett referred to comments that she had previously posted on Facebook about the event 16 days after the attacks, recounting how administration officials were “extremely compassionate and genuinely sad for my loss, as I fought back tears and tried to project an image of strength to honor my SEAL son:”
“While squeezing Secretary Clinton’s hand and choking back tears, I told her that what worried me was that my son died possibly thinking that he had failed in the mission he was to carry out, that of protecting Ambassador Stevens and the people in the compound.
“Looking me firmly in the eye, she told me that my son did not fail. She called him a hero and that if not for him, the 30 people inside the consulate would not have made it out. He was doing his job, fighting for his life, putting others ahead of his own safety, but then that was his job, which he did well.”
The Pinocchio Test
Every person we interviewed appeared sincere about recounting what they remember they had heard.
Even with the sharply different versions, one can see that elements of the recollections overlap. Someone — the Libyan ambassador or Clinton or both — said the people responsible would be prosecuted. Clinton spoke about conditions in Africa, but in one instance the memory is more directly related to the attack.
Clinton says that in speaking with the families, she did not blame the Benghazi attacks on the video. Most participants we interviewed (four out of six) back up her version, saying they do not recall her mentioning a video.
Perhaps it all started with a comment made by Rice (who two days later would famously go on national television and make a direct link between the video and the attack, thus spoiling her chance to become secretary of state). Perhaps the question of who said what at what moment got jumbled over time. Or perhaps Clinton mentioned the video privately to just two people — and not to others.
Clearly we cannot come to a resolution that would be beyond dispute. Readers will have to come to their own conclusions based on the evidence we have assembled. (Any family members who could not be located are welcome to contact The Fact Checker, and we will update with their recollections.)
One 1) What happened in Benghazi had everything to do with conditions on the ground and nothing to do with whoever was sitting in an office labeled “Secretary of State” half a world away, if we are to blame anyone, it should be Republican Congressman who voted to cut the State Dept budget repeatedly for years despite the security concerns stated by them.
Two, Clinton followed the precedent of previous Secretaries of State, one of whom was a fkn General. Sec. Powell started the trend, she continued it, and there is no record of anyone going to her and saying, “Madam Secretary, your use of a private email server is a huge security risk, please cease using it immediately.” Had that happened, there would be good reason for boxers to be in a bunch. My understanding is that she believed what she was saying about the servers and emails. She hired a team of lawyers to sift through them and separate the private emails from the professional, and she believed the servers had been wiped after the emails were turned over. Saying otherwise does not make her a liar, intentionally misleading others, it means she was misinformed or misunderstood what what actually done. I can’t recall how many times I’ve heard people (most recently Newt Gingrich) insist that believing what they believe, even in the face of facts, is valid.
Three, Clinton repeated what she believed to be true and correct. See above. As for debates, HRC ate the Congresscritters of the Benghazi committees for lunch. She’d pick her teeth with Stein and Johnson, and that’s a fact.
Sounds like you may be just hearing what you want to believe. If you search for the facts, you will find she is not the liar and demon she has been made out to be for the last 25 years by Republicans. Sadley this tactic has worked on too many.
Thank you, Thank you!!! Finally a truly coh